Odds changing based on bet amount? (Aristocrat Wild Wild)

Yes, you can change the payback based on bet multiplier on games. It's probably more common than it used to be with newer slots. But it's also more work for the casino to set it that way. Or even Aristocrat may have even intentionally designed it that way. Some slots are made that way now.

I'm just sorta suprised that Aristocrat wrote that out explicitly.

Also this is the play deck of a Wild Wild Samurai game. I don't know if they are implying higher payback or not. Or literally bigger pays, "Well duh, the prizes are bigger when you bet more."

 

If they explicitly say that odds/pays are changing with bet changing, they have at least built in to the machine the possibility of a higher payback, but to @tringlomane 's point, a casino also has to choose to set it that way if it's based on the underlying payback settings. Kevin from Cosmo showed an example on here of four settings, one for each denom. Cosmo chose to set the two lower at one level and the two higher at a better level, but that doesn't mean all casinos can or will use different settings.

But I've also seen Aristocrat explicitly market a higher payback for a certain symbol for higher bets - More More Chili will pay you better for the Chihuahua at a higher bet, for instance. So the pay tables in that case were designed for encouraging a higher bet for a higher payback, however much or little it might be.

I'm not seeing that in Wild Wild Samurai in what i can find, so I'd therefore presume it's the payback settings. I wonder if all Wild Wild does this, or only certain ones; if the latter, might further indicate a configuration than a standard thing. But Aristocrat seems to make it more explicit when betting more could pay more, so if so at least kudos to them for making sure that's clear.

 

So just a quick update - played tonight and on the one I played it was referencing the nuggets on Wild Wild Nugget (unlike Samurai it had a nugget symbol in that text) on the bet panel. Which effectively means nothing. Of course you get bigger nugget pays on higher bets! You can also lose your shirt faster

So I'm now not as confident there's a pay table shift, but I was in a rush so I need to do a bit more homework when I get a chance. But it may just be about the nuggets and how they change based on the bet.

EDITED: Found RandomSlots' video on this. Love that channel because he puts screenshots of the pay table upfront:



The fascinating aspect is at 0:11:

"The game is made up of multiple sets of 5 reels. During each spin, a set of reels will be randomly selected to be used for that spin."

So there's not one reel set... and that's fascinating, and may be part of why that messaging appears - maybe the reel sets are weighted differently based on bet level, or designed differently with higher payout possibilities? Definitely not something I'm used to seeing in a paytable readout but maybe others have?

 

In the videos ive seen with the message, the message for payback changes only appears when they change the bet size. At Cosmo, particularly.

The multiple reel set thing is weird to me. Maybe to manipulate the variance in a more desirable way?

I want to say that similar results can be achieved by just using a larger reel set. It's a video slot so a reel set could have thousands of symbols per reel if they wished.

 

Some slots like the old IGT ones for the Ghost slot and Little Shop of Horrors slot explicitly said that the payback was higher with higher bets...

WD2 explicitly says that different reel sets are used for different bet levels...

 

So it's funny that this topic has already been posted because a friend and I were just discussing this. Do we know which games this is a factor in?

For example min betting at nickles on buffalo gold ($3/spin) vs max betting at pennies ($3.60/spin)? Or on 88 fortunes min betting on dimes ($8.80/spin) vs max betting on pennies ($8.80/spin)? Seems like if there is no payback change then it's advantageous to play lower multiplier at a higher denomination if the payback and progressives are higher.

 

It's not fundamentally different from how VP paytables change based on the denomination -- at Lift Bar in Aria, for example, JoB is 8/5 at $1 but only 7/5 at $0.25. Unfortunately, unlike with VP, it's difficult to tell exactly what the changes are.

 

Yeah, if it looks like there is no incentive to betting max credits, I would be betting fewer credits at the higher denomination.

 

For the Wild Wild machines, i believe the different reel sets are talking about the nuggets/samurai values each spin. The reels don't seem to change to me and I play these slots alot. Its just the $ values on the nuggets/samurai.

Also some games its clear that the %s are better at higher denoms. The Lock It Link games the Mini and Minor go up with the denom, but not your bet. Like playing the 1x or 10x button on 1c the mini/minor are $10/$50. But 1x at 10c the mini/minor go up to 100/500. Some of them also have odd credits bet changes like 1c and 2c the 1x bet is 75 credits and at 5c or higher its 50 credits, but the paytables are the same(multiplied by th denom of course). Other games also clearly state better chance at progressives for higher bets, but I'm assuming thats true because there is no visible indicator.

 

I believe the above to be spot on. The rest of you are thinking too much into standard marketing jargon.

While it is mostly true, changing the denom will often change the payback of the game. Increasing your bet size in any of those denoms might just add features, or payout a bonus, where lower bets wont.

In older games, like Double Diamond, You'll see a max payout for 3 Double Diamond symbols be something like 1,000 credits at a 1X multiplier. 2,000 credits as a 2X and 4,000 credits at a max bet of 3 credits. The machine doesn't change its reel set just because you bet max. It just pays out a higher amount, compared to lower wagers, when you do.

Other examples of this sort of "bonus" payouts, which do effect the holds on the machines, but do NOT effect the actual reel results. Games like Top Dollar, where you must bet the extra credit to unlock the bonus game. If you don't, and you land the bonus game symbol, you are paid out a flat credit, like 5 or 10 coins, but do not get to play the bonus game for those bigger credits. A lot of games, you must bet max (or at least all lines) to unlock other big money wins that add to the expected returns of the game, like Megabucks. You bet all 3 coins, and land the top symbols, and you win $10MIL. You bet one coin less, and thats down to $10K.

The marketing hook for the above, is to bet max in order to win the highest awards. Some companies are lame, bet more win more. Yeah, obviously. Ive seen slots that say "Fierce Factor" on them. All that means, if you bet $10.00 instead of $1.00, you'll win more on the same symbols. Duh!