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Best Machines for Freeplay Conversion

Discussion in 'Slot Machines' started by kwool, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. kwool

    kwool Silver

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    One of my nearby locals is obviously getting a little desperate and is sending me some tidy freeplay promos ($450/week in January).

    I'm ready to sever offer ties with them (I've decided to become a Vegas-exclusive player), so I'm looking to convert this freeplay to cash that I could use during my next Cosmo excursion. Cash & cards will be left at home, so this will be bankrolled purely with freeplay.

    Who has some go-to machines for freeplay conversion? I know that lower volatility machines will generally yield better results with this type of goal, but I'm interested to hear what you all have had success with.
     
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    Video poker on a machine with the best pay table
     
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    VP is the best bet to wash the highest percentage of your FP
     
  4. MNSlotLover

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    While I’ll agree with @CherriesJubilee and @Goldenknight that, if you want to grind through your free play and have a pretty good chance of having most of it left, then VP is a good way to do it. However, keep in mind, unless you’re a schooled VP player, you will make mistakes, and that will reduce your return. There is a measurable level of skill needed to maximize your return.
    Personally, I always run my FP conversion through Pinball. I’ve never failed to get a bonus, and two bonuses will almost certainly result in a return over 100%. That’s just my two cents.
     
  5. CosmoGrlxo

    CosmoGrlxo Platinum

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    I tend to gravitate towards a higher limit Top Dollar or Pinball as well when it comes to Freeplay because I've never failed to come up on it (knocking on wood), as well as a lightning link of sorts.
     
  6. Hoofy7

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    I don’t have a ton of Free Play, but I’ve been trying to figure out where to play my FP for a hopeful bankroll boost? I have $525 so what machine, where is it at Cosmo, and bet amount?
     
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    I hit lightning link up outside of high limit at .50 or $1 denom and that's always worked out for me. Pinball or Top Dollar at $5 or $10 denom as well. I don't think I've ever gone to Cosmo and not doubled or tripled my freeplay on those machines..and i've been there every month lol
     
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    So you are responsible for me and my FP then! I’ll wait til I find you and we will go together. You know for moral support. Lol Plus I don’t want to drink alone! Lol
     
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    I gotcha! No one drinks alone in Vegas especially if I can help it lol. Are you staying at cosmo first on the 29th?
     
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    Yes I’m at Cosmo the whole trip! Grab my bag and a cab and heading straight there!
     
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    No cab! You can ride with me :) Driver will pick us up from the airport. It’s only me so pleeenttyyy of room ;)
     
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    Just saw this sorry. Lol I wouldn’t want to cab it either! Hahaha Thank you so much! I’m definitely in.
     
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    Lol it’s all good and no it’s not that I wouldn’t take a cab..But this is comped..we like “free”
     
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    Video Poker, as others have pointed out. And if you don't want to grind, or feel you are not a good VP player...

    Go to an older Game King terminal, instead of playing poker on it, play Black Jack.

    If you want more of a slot feel, instead of playing Black Jack on it, flip to slots. Most all of those video slots are ancient, and hold typical odds, from 20-30 years ago when they were made. Think just north of 90%.

    A lot of cool old games can be found, like this weird Cleo below I always play. Other games, like Leopard Spots, Chinese Kitchen and lots of offshoots with multipliers. Great odds!


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    That bartop Cleo is one of my favorites when I’m in Biloxi. Haven’t really seen it much in Vegas. No big payouts, but pretty frequent bonuses.
     
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    I have had the most success on all of the wonder 4 variants. I usually get much more than dollar for dollar. Like 99% of the time.
     
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    Most slots in general are going to give you the same payout percentage. I've lately been using Quick Spin for this kind of thing, because there are frequent bonus, its rare to go through a session without a Spin or a Bonus so you know you are at least going to get some cash out of it. As know your slots points out, its a low volatility that might not get you a huge payday but more like steady pays.

    https://www.knowyourslots.com/quick-spin-a-low-volatility-play-from-ainsworth/
     
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    Last time I was in Vegas....OK.....it was over a year ago.....TI had this in the section in front of the cashier cage. Might still be there as they tend to hold on to quite a few older slots.
     
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    Yes, but you do have to be pretty bad to knock your return to something below a typical penny slot machine. I probably could count the people I've witnessed playing that badly on 1 hand.

    Following this simple strategy will get you within 0.1% of optimal return on Jacks or Better. It works well for Bonus Poker too. Most of the holds in JoB or Bonus are pretty intuitive.

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

    But I'd only hold King Ten suited if you were actually playing 9/6 JoB. King only is usually better at 9/5 and lower and all forms of Bonus Poker where 2 pair is 2 for 1.

    If I had to pick a slot, i probably go with an older IGT slot for lower volatility. Also if you can find an IGTs "Winners Choice" slot it's a decent choice as well as it has a minimum payback of 92%.
     
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    Sorry, this is not true. It IS what the casino HOPES players think, but it simply is not true.

    I have hundreds of slot machine sell sheets and PARs. PAR is Probability and Accounting Report. Your best bet, by far for slots, is to play an older mechanical dollar slot. Or, if you find those boring, you can play an older IGT slot, like Texas Tea or Tina, Money Storm, Shake your Booty etc. All of these can mostly still be found in casinos. As players still ply machines they feel are "lucky" or that they know wont take all their money so fast.

    Don't play the title, play the machine. A modern incarnation of Texas Tea will have a higher hold than an old version in an older CRT cabinet.

    Believe it or not, there was a time when slot directors didn't want anything below 90%, for fear of fleecing clients too much, and losing their return business. A lot of these older slots were 94-98% payback on mechanical and 88-96% on video

    With not much deviance in offerings. If you wanted a Double Diamond machine in 1999, it was 94.32 or 95.03 payback.

    Video is a little looser, since you can have more or less paylines. More of less frequency to the bonus. More or less pays per winning symbol etc. But still, for a game like 2000 Lucky Larry Lobstermania, you can bring in a title with 88.8%, 92.5% or 96.2% payback.

    The airport and grocery stores would order 88.8. Bars and big casinos 92.5 and local casinos 96.2

    Looking at modern games, since some jurisdictions now allow for MIN returns to be below 75%, slot makers are doing just that in their offerings. A LOT of new games are 78-86% return.

    You want to play the latest Willy Wonka slot, that has to pay royalties to Viacom (who owns Paramont) the estate of Gene Wilder to use his image and voice, you are paying into a massive progressive as well. You are lucky if your machine is 85% return.

    My older Double Diamond is 5% hold. Willy is 15%. For every $100 I play through, I lose 5 bucks. You lose $15. IE, you are losing three times as much, or simply my bankroll will last 3 times as long...

    Most slots, in general, can and do have a big swing between them in terms of hold. Picking the right types, can add hours to your casino trips or simply less money lost from your bankroll. Yes, luck can have something to do with it. But, that doesn't mean you cant play smarter!
     
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