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Craps for the first time shooter

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by jmackesey, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. jmackesey

    jmackesey Bronze

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    Hey everyone,

    I've been a slot player my whole life and after many years and I'm finally switching to tables. I have read several books on craps and it sounds like a very exciting game. Basic strategy sounds like betting with or against the dice with the pass and don't pass lines with x2 or x3 odds. I want to get a feel from the members if you would recommend any other bets? I know pass and don't have the least house edge. I figure the table players hate Don't bets - anyone have bad experiences with jerks at the table when betting don't pass?

    Definitely open to other strategies or tips!

    Thanks VF!
     
  2. Hard8

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    I don't play the pass or don't pass unless shooting. I place the inside (5689) for $50/60 each, wait for 2 hits, each hit pays $70. Then cut my bets in half to $25/30. The benefit is I have $220 at risk for only 2 hits, once I cut them in half to $110 I'm up $30 on that shooter and press hits from there, plus I can turn them off if there's drama a the table. The down side is a pso (point seven out) or not getting both hits before the big ugly shows up. Gotta have the bank roll to survive that. I also don't jump in on every shooter, sometimes I wait till they establish the point then hit one my inside numbers before betting. That move has saved me a ton of $ on pso's over the years. Plus my ratings are higher by placing numbers rather the odds.
     
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  3. scottndindy

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    If you play and only bet pass line with odds you will be bored with the game. I would suggest betting the 6 and 8. If on a $10 table you would bet $12 on each number as a minimum. This would be in addition to the pass line and odds.
     
  4. jmackesey

    jmackesey Bronze

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    Thanks Hard8.

    When you bet the 5678 are these place or buy bets? Any reason you would do one over another or is it just based off house edge on those.

    Also you said these bets can be brought back, correct? Just pass, don't pass, come, and don't come are all contract wagers that cannot be removed.

    Thanks!
     
  5. jmackesey

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    I meant 5689*
     
  6. jmackesey

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    Thanks Scott.

    Are these as well place or buy bets?
     
  7. Hard8

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    I do place bets, no commissions required, I'll only buy the 4/10 if the shooter is doing well and hitting them. Also you can tell the dealer to turn my bets off and the dealer will place an off button on one of your bets. You can turn your bets back on by asking the dealer to do so and he will remove the off button. Yes line bets are contract bets but odds are not.
     
  8. jmackesey

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    Thanks again for the clarification! Got a Vegas trip coming up end of August and am excited to give it a shot! :)
     
  9. TIMSPEED

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    This ain’t no damn ho’ house.
    I also do inside place bets, but I'll start them out at the table minimum ($5/$6, or more commonly $10/$12) then press every other hit...yes it's a slower progression this way, but for the PSO shooters it makes it easier to recoup that money because it's only the minimum.
    Any way you slice it, a Point-Seven-Out is going to kill all but the don't pass player. (Or the come bet player if they play the come on the roll after the come out)
     
  10. jmackesey

    jmackesey Bronze

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    When you mention "press every other hit" what does that mean exactly?

    Thanks!
     
  11. scottndindy

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    When betting on the 5, 6, 8, or 9 these are all place bets. The 5 and 9 pay out 7:5 and the 6 and 8 pay out 7:6. If you want to be the 4 or 10 always but these numbers. If bought they pay out 2:1. If placed they pay out 9:5. From a house edge perspective it makes sense to always but the 4 and 10 but place the 5,6,8, and 9. Some properties will automatically buy the 4 and 10 and others you need to say something. Also some properties charge you a 5% vig for buying the number on the front end while others ask for it when it hits.
     
  12. Hard8

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    Don't wanna speak for TIMSPEED but for me pressing every other hit means if the 5 hits once I collect the winnings if it hits again I press it up. Let say you place $30 on the 6 and it hits, you collect the $35 dollars recouping your investment plus a small profit. After a couple rolls the 6 hits again use the $ from the hit to press the 6 to $60 and collect the other $5. When the 6 hits again collect $70, and press the next hit to $120, etc.

    This is hard to keep track of in your head for each of the 4 numbers in play, use the chips in your chip rail as place holders for each number (5,6.8.9) put a chip in the place holder spot for each hit and remove it after a press. This takes guess work out of keeping track of when to press or not.
     
  13. Chuck

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    A solid conservative strategy when you're starting out is pass line and two come bets. Gives you action on three numbers once you get there, and the come bets hedge against a seven while they're in the Come box.

    Placing a couple of numbers is a decent alternative to the two come bets, you get a higher payout on place bets.

    Adding odds is fine, but it can wait. Get the flow and the timing of the bets down first.

    Taking the winnings from the first win on a number and then letting subsequent ones ride (or every other one) is a good conservative pressing strategy.
     
  14. jmackesey

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    Thanks for that info. Do you know which resorts (MLife, CET, etc.) have the vig from your experience. Or should I ask which ones you haven't seen it?
     
  15. jmackesey

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    That makes sense. When a place or buy is hit are the chips returned with win to player or are they still in place until you take it down? Have you had decent luck with pressing? If so what is the most times you press a winning bet?
     
  16. jmackesey

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    Hey Chuck,

    I had this strategy in mind at least for a starting point. Starting with a pass and (1) come bet. They had always mentioned the odds bet was one of the best out there in regards to a zero house edge. Are you opposed to this bet? If so what would you recommend instead? A place bet?
     
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    Place and buy bets stay up till you take them down, turn them off, or a seven is rolled with a point established. They are automatically off during come out rolls unless you specifically turn them on by telling the dealer to do so. Not recommend. If you turn them on during a come out roll and the shooter hits a seven you lose them. With the button off those bets are safe.

    The best I've done with pressing is turning a $30 place bet on the 8 in a $600 place bet on that number pressing every other hit, my progression for that is $60, $30 (cut $ on the table in half after two place hits, then press every other hit) $60, $120, $150, $300, $600. The shooter had a great roll. That's only happened once. Most of the time you only get one or two presses on a couple of numbers if things are going well.
     
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    This is interesting. I've been using a progressive strategy myself; If I start at $12 on the 6/8, I move to $18, $30, $42, $60, and then $30 increments from there with each additional hit. (For the other numbers, when I play them, I go $10, $15, $25, $35, $50 and $25 increments from there). The highest I ever got was to $210 on a 6 or 8 (although I've accomplished that three times in the last 18 months). I start with 6/8 and establish other numbers if the shooter's on fire. If I'm on a lower minimum table I tend to favor more odds at first instead of betting more numbers, or if say the point is six so I only need to bet the 8. If things are going well I may add the 5/9, or occasionally the 4/10.

    I've settled into a series of strategies where usually, after the come out roll, I end up with somewhere around $50 on the table, including the pass line, odds, 6/8 place bet, and hard ways ($1 each; my sucker bets of choice). The hard ways have treated me pretty well overall; I started betting them when one boxman told me that they rate those higher due to the higher house edge (I have seen that to be true more often than not).
     
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    I like to press my bets but I also try to get some of it back at beginning of each roll. I will generally do same bet on each number before pressing. This gets me my starting money back. It definitely affects the upside but pressing too aggressively will result in a lot of losing sessions with a few amazing sessions.
     
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    I believe cet asks for vig upfront and Mlife on wins.
    *this is vegas. Local properties have completely different rules.
     
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