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Most common quarter machine worth playing on the strip?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by venturalvn, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. venturalvn

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    Hey all. Not necessarily a VP newbie, but I certainly have never spent much time game selecting in the past. I understand the differences between the VP types in terms of paytables, but don't have a grasp of what paytables are common in Vegas.

    I'll be heading out for a low variance trip in August, catching up with a friend and playing some poker (NLHE/PLO8). I assume to spend a fair amount of time either at VP bars or grinding .25-1 VP. I don't assume to be constantly hunting one machine at one casino, as we will be bouncing around and hanging out pretty casually.

    We might be doing downtown one night, but assume to be on the strip otherwise. What game commonly has the best paytable on the strip? I have a month to study and practice, so I'd rather put my time into a game that is readily available and has the best commonly available paytable without having to hunt.

    Thanks!
     
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    Well... if you're looking for low variance... you're going to be playing Bonus Poker or Jack or Better.

    Both of these games you'll only be hunting royals... so the intent of playing is to keep you in the game long enough to hit a royal.

    Look on vpfree2 for casinos with the best pay tables. Typically you won't find them on the strip.. especially in CET or MLife casinos.

    Cosmo has some pretty good pay tables. There are other around here who hunt the better pay tables though so I'll let them chime in.
     
  3. tringlomane

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    Commonly? 6/5 Bonus (96.87%) or 30/6/5 Bonus at CET bartops (96.18%) will be nearly everywhere and often the best choice at a bar. Don't play dollars on the game unless you find at least a 7/5 Bonus paytable (98.01%).

    Also another decent paytable that is fairly common is 6/5 Super DDB (97.69%). That is often available on the floor at CET casinos as well as Cosmo bartops.

    I'd learn Bonus strategy first though as it also works very well for JoB.
     
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    Wow I cant believe 96% is the best I'll find these days. I mean I can believe it, and I haven't been going to Vegas for a few years due to the declining value found on the strip, but it hurts to know that you have to hunt for a mere 97% now!

    Thanks for the info though. At least I can prepare the BR and strategy accordingly.
     
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  5. venturalvn

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    Thanks for the info. I love a good Triple hit as much as the next (as has saved my night a few times) but yeah some JoB grinding might be the key.

    If I go downtown I'll likely be focusing on low limit table games and 3:2 BJ. So sounds like some low var strip VP play is on deck.
     
  6. tringlomane

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    Well, if you want more specific places to play on the floor, I have a few to suggest. Many of these you can also find on www.VPFree2.com. The Cromwell has quarter 9/6 JoB (99.54%) near the Drai's entrance. @BeeeJay row 802 at Aria also has 8/6 Bonus Deluxe (98.99% w/Double STP) and 7/5 Bonus (98.51% w/ Double STP) for quarters.

    For bars though, 6/5 Bonus for quarters is often best. Cost of drink convenience.
     
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    Cromwell has the best machines for Caesars properties but just sucks that those ones earns rewards credit at a very slow rate.
     
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  8. tringlomane

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    Yeah the earning rate is 20% of normal, but that's still better than quarter 6/5 Bonus...
     
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    bayoubengal World's Worst VP Player
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    Downtown Grand needs to learn this. Reduced point earning on full pay machines IS a thing.
     
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    I was shocked how slow points accumulate playing VP. It seemed like they barely moved after an hour of fast paced play. If I was betting the same amount per spin in a slot machine, I’d have gotten 1000’s more points.
     
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  11. tringlomane

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    And at Cosmo, they move faster than both CET and MLife. But compared to slots they definitely move slower because VP is excluded from the point multipliers. :(

    But VP also has a lower house edge than slots when played decently. The game you like has a house edge of 3.5% at quarters when played perfectly. While many penny slots are 10%+.

    It's $6 an Identity point no matter what. So you have to play 5 max quarter hands to get slightly more than a point. But CET/MLife is $10 a point.

    While slots for Sterling/Gold get 2 points per $2.50 coin-in and Platinum gets 3 points.
     
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    If I was reading correctly they're offering games that are very close to 100% (and at one point was over). Whereas the reduced earnings are on games that are 96%-ish at CET/Mlife - that 3% makes a major difference. And so Cromwell going to like $50 a point is just hilarious playing quarters - you're not gonna earn anything lol

    There are 9/6 machines at quarters at one Mohegan Sun by me, and you earn tier credits but not comps. I just presume the overall payback plus the comps make it not worth it to them otherwise, and if push came to shove I'd rather have the full pay than the comps.
     
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    You also lose money 5 to 10 times faster at slots as well. Hence the reduced rate in earning.
     
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    Downtown Grand still offers some 100%+ games -- 10/7 Double Bonus and 10/6/50 Double Double Bonus. But anyone who wanted to play those games would be better off playing at 4 Queens or any of the local Stations casinos instead, because you still get some points and other benefits there.

    There's a rumor that Downtown Grand put in those generous paytables in an effort to drive up coin-in for a potential sale...
     
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    It's possible they upped the paytables because of that. But a buyer has to be an idiot to fall for it. Coin-in doesn't mean shit if you're getting negative revenue on the extra coin-in.
     
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    That would be idiotic is someone fell for that
     
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    I agree -- the move makes no business sense. Hence, rumor. Supposedly (according to some locals I've spoken with) some of the top people at the DTG have never been a bright bunch when it has come to running a casino. Who knows -- maybe they were trying to impress some group of foreign investors who don't anything about casinos other than "Seats filled with people = good"?
     
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    For low variance on the Strip, as mentioned, Bonus and Jacks or Better would be the way to go.

    7/5 progressive Bonus for dollars can be had at the Bellagio Sports Bar - each machine has it's own progressive, so you might find a good one, say $6000. Luxor has it too on the floor. I'd bet this game can be found most anywhere.

    Ti has 9/6 Jacks or Better and 8/5 Bonus for dollars.

    Edit: Shoot, I missed the quarters in the thread title. For quarters I like the Sports Bar at Cosmo, Row 802 at Aria and the full-pay bank at the Cromwell.
     
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    i like to play job, and love the cosmo. was wondering if their quarters bartop vp has different paytables at Sports Bar vs Chandelier?

    i'm starting to think maybe i need to learn strategy for bp a little better.
     
  20. IrishDave

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    Nope, they are the same...and the strategy for BP is no different than JoB. Both bars have 6/5 Bonus, which is a little better than their JoB plus they have dime STP on the All Star machines at both!
     
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