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BR and AVERAGES.. Is this possible?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Vegas Chat' started by PACKER, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. PACKER

    PACKER Las Vegas DEGENERATE! Are you?
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    Some of us talked about this a couple years ago at another place but with many new members here, I thought thus might be interesting. Plus my left kidney is killing me from this detox/flush. Had nothing else to do and I can't move. Ouch!

    Ok, The amount doesn't matter (It is all relative). This applies to Slot players as well.....
    The only poignant facts are.... You have increased your BR and average wager substantially over the last many years. You are making the same money and have a nice net worth, you just don't want to throw money away anymore, you want to bring that average down or simply don't want to use a large BR anymore. (BR means the amount you are willing to lose!) Can you still enjoy Las Vegas and travel there the same amount of yearly trips if you decrease your BR and avg bet substantially? Would it still be fun for you at gaming? Would you still go if you couldn't get the same room, food, beverages and all the other perks due to lower wagering?
    Again, the amount is all relative but here are a few examples. 3000 a hand to 300, 1500 a hand to 150 or 100 a hand to 10.00. Or, a bankroll of 3000 a day to 300 a day and so on. For me, the past 5 years I have been playing at a much higher level (I happen to be lucky over the last 4 years and im up overall). I really don't think I could go back down. The rush wouldn't be the same. I have got used to all the perks like much at the higher level. Suites, food, shows, fights, clubs, limos, RFB and so on. Bottom line, If I went down to a 100 average bet from 1000s but still could afford the higher level im a little embarrassed to say I might be in Las Vegas once a year instead of 6 or 10. You? For me its Las Vegas only but I know some of you go to your local Indian casinos, casinos in the mid west, back east and so on. No matter where you go can you still go as much and wager a fraction of what you once did? Remember, anyone can reduce the amounts for one or two trips a year. Can you or are you willing to substantially lower your BR and/or average bets for all your Las Vegas trips for the whole year to come? Are the perks just too fun to lower your averages? Do you not get the same adrenaline rush from substantially lowering your wagers? Do you feel bad when you lose 100% of your BR? I know when I lose 100% of my BR sometimes I want to take a break from trips only because I feel unlucky which is ridiculous. But I don't think I can start wagering 5.00 instead of 300 a hand or whatever your wager is. You?
     
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  2. SoCalRob

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    My answer is simple. I went from betting .50 to $2 a spin(slot player only here)...to betting max on pretty much any penny machine up to $10/spin. Or $15 to $25/spin on other $1 or $5 machines... The rush wouldn't be the same if I went back to that low betting again. I try it sometimes in the casino.. And winning $50 on a fifty cent bet isn't as exciting as winning $500 on a $5 bet. I mean percentage wise it is still the same 100x bet... But the thrill isn't there at the lower denomination.
     
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    I have been adjusting downward actually. Didn't think it would be possible but it has been. Get a run going bad enough and you learn pretty quickly. Even found there's more to do in Vegas than gamble. Not like I started going to shows or anything. It's actually been the charm of the Cosmo balcony overlooking the fountains and pretty much all of the town and chilling with friends that have saved me. From myself lol.




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  4. Uncle Pauly

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    I think I could adjust downward, but it is not like I bet a shitload anyway. I am primarily a slot gut, but whatever I am doing gambling wise it is about the escape of work and other mind occupying things. The calming nature of hitting that button is, quite frankly bizarre to me. I LOVE it and this is coming from someone who cannot win shit. I think most, if not all of my BR has disappeared on each trip the last 2-3 years.
     
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  5. Elf70

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    I don't think I'd be able to reduce my bets and still get the same rush from gambling. I have tried it on an occasional trip to my local. It never fails - I hit something decent on a lower bet and immediately up my bets and stay at the increased level for the rest of my stay. I also enjoy the perks that come with higher betting (limos, suites, free food etc.). The perks are part of what makes Vegas fun for me. Where else could I vacation and not have any expenses? (Well except for gambling bankroll. ).
     
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  6. Kimsa70

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    As a slot player, winning trips are few and far between. I try to play lower denominations, but it's hard knowing that a $10 bet could return $50k (as it did for me once in 2011). Reducing bankroll per trip is an option, but I still like playing bigger bets, knowing that could result in another huge hit. If it comes down to it and I'm forced to play with less, I have no problem staying in a standard room and eating at cheaper places. I'd still risk some big bets here and there. And another option I've been considering is playing more video poker as opposed to slots. Not sure I answered your question or not?!

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    I can only do it if I don't have a choice. If I've depleted most of my bankroll I find machines with a lower max bet or stop betting max. BUT soon as I hit something decent on the lower bet I'm right back to max. I'd rather bet low than not be able to bet at all. If I had to pay for my room and all my dinners, Vegas wouldn't happen as often as I can't justify paying to lose money and sleep. I was always content with a $1000 a day budget before I started max betting. Now I won't go unless I have $6-$10K for a 4 night trip. I've got to be careful end of September as I'm only bringing $10K for 6 nights. That's a long time with so little money as a slot player. I need to be the 2 Marshmallow Kid and prevent going on tilt or I'll be drinking half of my stay without being able to gamble. Lol
     
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    I don't play at my local EVER but 2-3x per year I go play at River Rock (Richmond/Vancouver BC) but I play totally different than Vegas I bring $400 - 1k maximum for a day trip and I typically don't play H/L with that type of BR but I don't get the same rush as in Vegas. I go to Vegas prepared to leave my BR seeing it is my entertainment fund and heck I'm definitely getting entertained there. I like the perks but they don't make a huge difference to me on how I play...if I have family along I will low roll and don't care about my average...it is more about enjoyment and a good time...I love the rush and I have the best time ever pressing that spin button.
     
  9. MNSlotLover

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    Like others have mentioned, I would not be happy reducing my daily BR. I would be much more likely to reduce the number of trip days. We do hit the local quite often, so that impacts my Vegas BR. As my income has increased over the years, my BR has as well. I tend to bet max on penny slots most of the time, $3 to $5 a pull and will go into the HL rooms here and there. I'm typically willing to lose $1k per day which is pretty much where I end up. My wife plays significantly less and at a lower level and her losses are more like $150 - $200 per day (3-4 hours at the pool). I've had trips recently where I end up about even or slightly up, but most often I lose most of my BR. My play gets me the comps I need to cover rooms, F & B and a show or concert here and there.
     
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    I dropped my average bet on blackjack many years ago. I used to bet greens & (some) blacks every trip. Now, my range is typically $10-to-$40.
    Yes, it was difficult at first, but by the 3rd trip (or so), betting a $10 base bet in blackjack became perfectly comfortable for me.
    Even at my current level of play, I still get room offers every month, as well as some minimal food & free play.
    Now - to be honest - I do bet "more-per-hand" when I play UTH, but that's because of the nature of the game (able to bet 4x ante on good pre-flop hands).

    If you approach it as the challenge of 'beating-the-house', the severity of the 'beat' is not as important as winning itself is.
    Winning $400 is still better than losing $10... I think it has more to do with one's expectations rather than the gambling itself.
    I can play nearly any game offered in Vegas. Whether I'm betting $20 or $100 doesn't change the unfolding of the game itself - it only changes the impact (good or bad) of each event's outcome.
    Put more simply - you can bet $100 or $1000 on the Rangers to win the ALCS. The risk of the event outcome is the same, regardless of the bet size.
     
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    Going lower wouldn't bug me that much. For me, it's not the amount, but just the fun of getting some play, pushing some buttons or even watching the roulette wheel almost hit on 23 for the hundredth time. I like longer stays, so I wouldn't worry about averages or maintaining a certain level of play over a long period. I like good food and good company and I'm willing to pay for that myself. Well, the food. My friends & fam hang out with me for free. They're nice like that.
     
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    ^This!
     
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    This is me. It's my escape. The calming nature of button pushing with a cocktail in hand is bizarre but oh so accurate!
     
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    I think in order to find the answer, one must analyze why they go to Vegas to begin with. I think most people go there to gamble eat and drink which to me=fun in fantasyland! Why do I gamble? For the thrill or "rush" it gives me while I'm placing that bet, a high when it wins or a low when i lose, and it happens in a few seconds, rinse repeat and do it again. While gambling, I get to enjoy great drinks being served to me as a bonus! Justifies to myself the losing hands and makes me feel somewhat "ok" since I'm having a great time! Picture laying out a large bet for your particular units(I'd say 3k for me)....win and you are high fiving and happy, lose and you are silent/shocked/sad....picture laying out a small unit bet for "fun" or "support" ($25-100), win and its meh, lose and its meh....no real excitement high fiving or screaming and not really sad/shocked about it.

    I feel I can never go back down to lower units to get that "rush" again, or else I would simply just not play. You are playing a game of chance against your odds, why continue to play and burn hard earned money unless it gives you something else in return? I'll pay for the "rush" I get when gambling and take my wins/loses in stride, when I can no longer afford to pay for that rush, I would rather not play at all then just to play for the sake of it.

    As for comps and the likes, Its a bonus to me....I would say most people,would better off be paying for everything upfront and still be ahead lifetime in gambling! Getting to eat some of the best foods and drinking some of the best alcohol has also spoiled my palate! Same as gambling.....I'm a cognac guy so back than, vsop was decent/good...xo was for special occasions....now, give me the option of vsop and I'll happily pass, it's no longer good to me so why drink it....xo has become the norm and extra old is now reserved for special occasions!

    To answer your question, if i could no longer enjoy Vegas as I do today, there would be no reason for me to go anymore....I can get decent gambling/service/restaurants here, but Vegas offers so much more on a whole different level compared to where I'm at! If I can't utilize those perks, why pay the flight and do there what you can do at home? Paul
     
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    I guess I have already done it. I went from a monthly visitor in the 70s playing 99% blackjack at $500-1000/hand, to a twice a year visitor playing no Blackjack at all. I was ready to give up Vegas completely. The "new" Vegas sucked with the new gaming rules. I know there are still decent BJ games in town, but the changes apparently ruined my karma, because I simply could no longer stomach the game.
    The thing that keeps me going twice a year is they now have sportsbooks. Horses and sports have always been my main play. So I play my horses and sports bets and play enough VP and slots to get everything comped.

    Do I like it as much as 70s Vegas? No, but its a different Vegas so its a different me.......
     
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    500-1000 a hand in the 70's? How were you treated? Im sure very well, would love to hear about this.
     
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    The treatment was fantastic and very personal. They "knew" me and what I liked. I had a carton of my brand of cigarettes and a bottle of Johnny Black in my room every time I arrived. There was also a fruit basket, but that never impressed me as much as that they knew my preferences. I went monthly back then and every bartender knew what I drank without even asking.

    Dealers knew what you liked and did little tings like wave for a cocktail waitress as soon as you sat down. Tips were not shared back then so a dealer knew that if you had a good run they would also have a good night. They changed decks when the cards were cold and they kept them in play when they were hot. The pit bosses knew the good players counted, but if you were not greedy they let you make a 3 or 4 times average bet on occasion without any dirty looks.

    Having said that, even the suites back then didn't compare to the rooms today. The restaurants were good and the chefs were top notch. But many of today's players would turn up their noses because they were not "celebrity chefs".

    I think the biggest change is that Vegas entertainment back then was made up of 3 major segments. Gambling was far and away number 1. But number 2 was golf. Virtually every casino had its own golf course behind it or very near by. Number 3 was the entertainment scene. Not only top name entertainers at every casino, but the lounge acts were fabulous and many went on to be headliners themselves. Every day included an hour or two by the pool or a round of golf. It was a different town with a far different personality. Smaller, but far more personal...........
     
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    I wish that I could have seen how it was back then. Everyone always dressed to the 9's, the lounge shows, etc.
     
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    Totally agree. Thanks, Rick, for sharing that, especially for those of us who never got to see it, except in the movies.
     
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