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Casinos adjusting odds after shutdown

Discussion in 'Slot Machines' started by ChicagoSlot, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. SIlverGolfer

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    Rock and Roll will never die :) :)
     
  2. bayoubengal

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    No. This was several years ago.
     
  3. bayoubengal

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    Haha. That machine is long gone.
     
  4. Captain Bill

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    Having just returned from visiting 5 station casinos I noticed a decline of about 50% on the 100% machines (mainly due to the temp stations at the doors where you would usually find them). But than they have been gradually decreasing over the past few years and you now get no points off them. I also noticed a fairly significant decrease in the number of VP machines (in the neighborhood of 10-15%) at Sunset, Red Rock & Palace. Schedules did not appear to have been downgraded (and I played just about all of them at all three stations).
     
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    Stations gave a massive FU to video poker players when they reopened from the shutdown. They cut the point accumulation rate in half and benefits by a lot more, making the base value of benefits 0.05% on machines where you could earn them. Before the shutdown the base rate was 0.3% (technically 0.1% but every day was at least 3x points), except on the over-100% machines where it was 0.025%. The worst part about this is that the only official public mention that they made about this change was on an obscure, not-often accessed page on their website. Many video poker players at Stations (including myself) didn't even find out until after they had started playing on their first visit upon reopening, and saw that the points were not accumulating at the rate that was normally expected.

    Stations obviously didn't learn from the last great recession about the effects of cutting slot club benefits, so I expect that sometime in the next 2 years we're going to be hearing about another bankruptcy filing from them.
     
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    Yeah I was really disappointed in Stations too after a stay at Red Rock late June. Even for slot players there’s no more 3x points daily, just the 10x on Thursday and sundays for now. Points don’t add up fast at all now.

    Lots of crap pay tables now too, 6/5 bonus poker was the norm, even on some higher denomination multi hand games. I had a horrible losing trip too, and pre shutdown I had offers for free nights anytime and freeplay. After that stay they sent me an updated offer for only weeknights comped and no freeplay. No thanks.
     
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    I had noted the decrease in an email they sent me (and was pretty disgusted with it), which is why I scheduled and did most of my play on the 10X point days. Since they still have the 9/6 DDB machines throughout their casinos, it will remain my go to place in Vegas. My offers decreased slightly, but still have the 3 night anytime comp. If that disappeared so would I. Used it at both the Sunset & Red Rock on the last trip.
     
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    i used to stay at The Palms on their emailer comps.. since it has closed i have received new emailers but for Palace Station and not Red Rocks or GVR which would be closer to the same level of Hotel/Casino. Stations can suck it...
     
  9. golfer

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    Palace Station has some disadvantages, but has improved dramatically. I'd not discount it immediately. Last time I went I enjoyed the baccarat area, and the improvements. They also offered a very attractive loss rebate. I found the location convenient for when I wanted to be either on the strip or downtown. I actually like it better than Red Rock for these reasons. This said, you have your own reasons and I don't know them. So not being argumentative, just suggesting it might be worth a visit. Maybe not a stay, but a visit.

    I'd agree Stations, and the way they operate their comps are odd to say the least. Offers are often times meaningless. I've found it best to call.
     
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    Supposedly stations is no longer rating table players? Is this true? Seems really short sighted.
     
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    out of curiosity if something like this were to be on the floor would it be grounds to void a jackpot on account of malfunction?
     
  12. Cosmo_Slot_Vice_President

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    Not my experience, but it's been a minute since I've been.
     
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    In the local mailers, when Stations reopened the free play was kept at the same level as it was just prior to the shutdown, but hotel offers declined and food credits were removed altogether. As far as my experience goes, putting in roughly the same amount of coin-in per month before and after the shutdown has resulted in my free play declining. Needless to say, it's very unlikely that I'm going to renew my Chairman status for next year; it's just not worth it at this point.
     
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    I did actually just get a new Stations offer this week for September and October that improved.
    This one can be used at either GVR or Red Rock once each month for 3 free nights anytime, $50 freeplay and $25 food credit.
    Not as good as what I get for similar play levels from Boyd or from M resort, but better than what I was getting at least this summer from them.
     
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  16. golfer

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    I get minimal offers in the mail. Sometimes no offers at all. When I call Stations, I get more than adequately enticed to visit. And the back end is usually agreed to upfront. So I'd not pay too much attention to their "offers", as in a weird Station's way, "offers" aren't really "offres", but when you call, "offers" turn into decnet "offers".
     
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    Interesting. I’m assuming you have a host you call? Or so you just call in and talk to anyone ?
     
  18. golfer

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    Interesting. I’m assuming you have a host you call? Or so you just call in and talk to anyone ? Yes, but I never use him. I call reservations to ask what's available, and ask them to look up my player's card and have someone get back to me.It's an odd deal.
     
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    Through anecdotal observation, I've always had the opinion that slot floors seem to tighten their floors over time through "attrition" as they trade out older machines for newer ones. Do the Gaming Boards prevent properties from swapping out older machines with higher payback percentages for newer machines with lower payback percentages?

    Slot machine design also has an impact on payouts through the volatility of a machine. Over the years I've seen the top payout on machines reduced based on the amount wagered. There used to be 2 coin $5 WOF machines in the 90's that had a $10K top slice on the wheel. Now, you will find those top slices at $1199. That sure is a big inflation bite. In the past few years I've seen pictures of handpays where the amount wagered is $6, $9, $12+ per spin and the handpay is just over $1200. People are betting more per spin, yet the win payout is not that significant. Those are not very impressive wins considering it is very likely the player invested a significant amount in the machine before hitting that jackpot. Granted a win is a win, but I think the gap between amount invested and jackpot wins is continually shrinking leaving slot players bigger losers over time.

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    I can't speak to every jurisdiction, but generally speaking, no, there's not a prohibition. The machines just have to have a regulator-confirmed, lab-tested, consistent payback. In Nevada, at least, there's a state-mandated minimum, but most places are way above that except if you're at the airport. The games have to be tested in the lab and have the RNG verified, but there's no underlying rule about reducing payouts, just as there's no formal rule about raising restaurant prices. Just has to be fair and consistent. And there's no reason why you couldn't take an older machine and swap out the RNG chip for something that would create a lower payout; it just has to be monitored and reported.
     
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