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COVID Long Term Effects on Table Games?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by stackinchips, Apr 28, 2021.

  1. stackinchips

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    I have only been to Vegas once since COVID (October). I am planning on a couple more visits in the next few months, which got me thinking about the last trip and my table game experiences. In reading current trip reports it doesn't sound like much has changed since then either. When I went in October, I found myself not playing many table games. There were a variety of factors, but mainly due to the difficulty of getting a seat/spot at a table due to the limited capacity, and even if you could find a seat, it was mostly crappy 6:5 (I play in the green/black range, so normally it's not even a consideration). I didn't play craps at all just due to the lack of atmosphere with the limited spaces and plexiglass. I also like to play across the board if I'm not on the darkside, so $25 minimums are simply a no-go for me.

    It wasn't a big deal since I was with my wife this trip anyways so most of my time was spent hitting machines with her and hanging in the sportsbook, however, with reading current trip reports and seeing that not much has changed on that front, it got me thinking... A) When/If the casinos will ever get their table games back to where they were pre-COVID (obviously plexiglass and limited capacity is temporary, but rules/limits wise...) and B) How many people are going to end up completely changing their gaming habits moving forward as a result of either this being the new norm or simply from spending a few trips not playing table games at all?

    What do you think the table games scene looks like in Vegas when we're officially post-COVID restrictions?
     
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    I would say higher min would be the norm.
    Nowadays you don't see those $1,$2, $3 table games anymore, or only as a marketing gimmick (and it doesn't work!).
     
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    I haven't seen those minimums in many many years outside of random off strip hole in the wall casinos. Really even $5 BJ has been non-existent for about 5-6 years. I think it's fairly widely accepted that $10 is the new standard base level for table games, pre-COVID at least.

    I think once we're fully past COVID, they're going to have to get back to pre-COVID minimums. But who knows, maybe they'll shrink the pits and push more people to machines. $50+ 6:5 BJ simply isn't sustainable though. Majority of people playing at that level are too well versed to accept that bad of a rule. Most will either move up to blackchip and play HL, or just skip playing BJ altogether. They seem to be getting away with it a little bit right now just because of the limited capacity and people not having many other choices, but once every casino has full table game capacity, there are plenty of places that will happily take $50+ action and offer 3:2. I know I would likely just be done playing BJ on the main floor if 6:5 was the only choice and if they priced me out of HL, I'd just stop playing altogether.
     
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    I hope to see one thing stay post COVID, no spectators. Played at Caesars properties in October and this month, the floor and dealers did a good job of moving creepers along. You wanna watch 2/3 hands, I'm cool with that, but what I can't stand is somebody up on the back of my chair staring over my shoulder. Happens way too often and the new change has been a nice improvement.
     
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    That one is a mixed bag for me. On the one hand I'm 100% with you on the looky loos, especially the ones who invade my personal space. On the other hand, as someone who often goes to Vegas with groups of people, it's a little annoying that when a friend is playing you can't even be around the table unless you're playing as well (or vice versa). I didn't realize it before they made a big deal about it, but it's pretty common for me to be standing by a table while I'm just taking a break and grabbing a drink while a friend plays, or even just stopping to chat for a few minutes to discuss plans for later or whatever. I don't sit behind them for hours at a time or anything, but you can't even be there for 15 seconds right now without getting yelled at. From that standpoint the rule is really annoying. The randoms I'm totally with you though.
     
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    That's a great point - normally the crew I go with we all play the same game so it's never really at the top of my mind. Caesars was SUPER strict, to you point, 15 seconds - they were already hustling people.

    Would be cool if they can figure out a way to still allow for that 1 to 2 min "hey what up, how you doing, where we going tonight" discussion.
     
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    I’m not so convinced the lower Mins will return, at least not at the nicer places like Cosmo.


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    When we were there a couple weeks ago all the craps tables were $50 on Saturday and Sunday, but strangely not on Friday.

    I'd have to be up quite a bit, or pretty drunk to play at $50 lol
     
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    Agreed. On Craps I like to spread my bets too much. $25 roulette. Sure. I’ll manage. $25 craps, f that


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    $25 is definitely my comfortable upper limit. Basically need to buy in for at least $1k and even that could be gone fairly quickly lol
     
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    I don't think that $25+ craps and $50 BJ is here for good, even at the higher end properties, but they're probably here until the table games have no capacity restrictions. I also wouldn't be surprised if $10 games don't come back to those properties.
     
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    Post Post covid (meaning a year or two after it's over, whatever over is) I would like to think things will return to similar pre covid. But I think the transition will be bumpy. In March, tables were limited as well as seats at the tables. And it was shockingly hard to find a $25 3:2 game. I talked to the pits at The Mirage (where I stay), and I got the time honored response: "You want less 6:5 games, tell these clowns to quit playing them". I played zero blackjack at any MGM Property. I fell in love with the two deck game at The Venetian (only "bad" rule was hitting soft 17) so I played there exclusively.
     
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    Completely agree with this! I find myself on the 25 roulette no problem. But craps, c'mon man, really? And what's up MGM corporate with all the diseased tables? I'm so sick of crapless craps and seeing the extra stupid piece on the roulette wheel above American Zero / Double Zero. Seems like all the people that play them have no freaking idea what it means. Argh. I hardly played table games the last three trips. I miss it.

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    I tried that crapsless craps at Four Winds once, very dumb. It's that game in Vegas at all? I've never seen it anywhere
     
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    I think it’s in 3+ locations. I know for sure that I’ve played it at the Strat (Stratosphere) before. Here’s an article online:

    “Harrah's installed a crapless craps table near the south entrance in the last year or two. Luxor was the next new installation of the game that we found. It must have tested well there. These tables eventually popped up at Excalibur, Mandalay Bay, Mirage, New York-New York and Park MGM.25 Nov 2020”

    Depending on how you play, it can be no different to playing strategically on a standard table (playing numbers). The come out roll is a 5.38% house advantage versus 1.4% on standard craps, and max odds behind is restricted as well, so you can’t reduce the house edge as much. Oh, it has no dark side either. And you wouldn’t want a point of 2 or 12. But you could play just numbers.


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    So far I've seen, NYNY, and The Park Infected with these bullshit tables! Bellagio and Aria just jacked the min on tables during weekdays. I'm over it. Lol

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    And as a side note that's what we did when we did play it once, we just played the numbers but honestly it's not as much fun at least not for us. One thing that we all know is that when they changed the tables it's never for the advantage of the player. Crapless craps is just their way to jack up the advantage for the house. Same thing with the diseased roulette wheel. Mofos!! Lol

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    I occasionally play the Interblock roulette machines but that’s not as fun. And weird thing is I sweat the action on an electronic table game way more than I would on the real table. Even betting less than I would on a live table.


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    It's everywhere. Bleck

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    Hey does anyone have an update on this topic? Planning a trip but interested if they are still rolling back restrictions? Have most places removed plexiglass and gone back to full table capacity on BJ tables or is it still limited?
     
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