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Dealt a flush with 4 to a royal, what is the correct play?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by TR888, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. TR888

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    On my recent trip to Vegas, 11/5, I was dealt a flush with 4 to a royal, I held 4 to the royal and discard the other card. I ended up with a losing hand instead of flush. Did I do the right thing? What would you guys do with a hand like that?
     
  2. undathesea

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    I think it's always the correct play to go for four to a royal unless you're not playing max coins.
     
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  3. Goldenknight

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    I guess in theory you should hold the winning hand. However I'm there to gamble, so I always go for the royal lol
     
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  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane Theoretical Video Poker Addict
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    It's still four to a royal too usually with one coin. Only if a flush is 7 vs. 250 for a royal should you hold a flush. 9/6 JoB looks like this.

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    There's no good reason to play with 1 coin. My two cents.
     
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    Well maybe if your on a $100 denomination VP Coin Dropper. :)
     
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  7. TR888

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    You are right, I made a mistake once betting one on a $5 bonus poker at Caesars HL room thinking I can't afford to play $25 a hand, I was dealt a royal resulting only $1250 win instead of $20,000 win. I would never make that mistake again, at least not intentionally. Can any one tell me how much of a bank roll do I need to play $5 8/5 bonus poker? We got lucky the last two times and ended up winning $1000 each time on the $5 machine when we went to Vegas in Oct and Nov.
     
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  8. Goldenknight

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    Realistically I don't know, but I usually throw in $200-400 if I try $5 and move on if nothing hits. I've had quite a few good winning sessions doing that.
     
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    Risk of Ruin aka "How many hands can I play before I am likely to lose my bankroll" calculations are determined by your risk tolerance. Since we all know that eventually if you play long enough variance will shift to the casino's favor and you lose it all.

    There are a couple of tools and articles written around this. I suggest this one https://www.americancasinoguide.com/video-poker/how-to-calculate-a-video-poker-bankroll.html

    Wizard of Vegas forums have discussed this topic ad nausea. Roughly speaking you are going to need a bankroll of at least 3000 times the betting unit
    to have a less than 10% chance of losing all your money vs hitting a Royal or even a break even session. There are guys more informed on the math (Trig) who
    can walk you down the calculations.

    I guess the bottom line is, how much tolerance for risk do you have? 50% chance of losing your bankroll, 25% chance, etc. Even if you have the bankroll needed to lower the risk of ruin, you can still run negative on variance. Plenty of people on this board who are experienced VP players have had brutal negative sessions that defied the math.

    My advise is play with what you can afford to lose and hope for the best. Unless of course you are playing to maximize comp return in which case play the highest denomination you can afford, best promotions, at properties you like to stay at. You might come out ahead. Best of Luck.
     
  10. TR888

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    Thanks funkhouser, I guess we will only play the $5 bonus poker just for a little while like Goldenknight and hope to win some good money and swtich to $1 machine after that.
     
  11. Goldenknight

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    This was the 3rd hand Ibplayed in February at Cosmo. I put $200 in. Playing double double and dealt four 2s
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    Very nice win, Goldenknight. I don't dare to play DDB at $5 level, but the last two winning hands we got at Caesars Palace playing 8/5 BP were 4 4s and 4 2s with kicker. It would have been nice if I was playing DDB. Funny thing is I got the quad 2s with kicker dealt to me after I discarded all 5 lousy cards.
     
  13. tringlomane

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    Yeah like @Funkhouser said, it depends on many factors that depend on you. How long you plan to play? Which game you gonna play? How often do you want to go "bust" etc? But $1000 is definitely ok for a "brief stab".
     
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    Barf!
     
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    Always toss the flush with 4 to a royal. Bricking it is just the worst. I've done it many times. You are more likely to win something back then nothing.
     
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    You are right, I could have gotten another flush, a straight, a pair of high cards or a straight flush even if I don't get a royal. There is so many possibilities with 4 to a royal. I was just unlucky this time ended up with a losing hand.
     
  17. NickPappageorgio

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    That's because you didn't make googly eyes at the screen while waving your hands in the air before pushing the button with your left big toe.

    Or timing, whichever.
     
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