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Getting on Cosmo's radar

Discussion in 'Comps - General Comp Discussion' started by Sinnerman, May 30, 2019.

  1. Sinnerman

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    So I have been pretty loyal to CET over the last couple years, but this year, I am making the conscious effort to branch out to more casinos and build up my loyalty program with them. I have a trip coming up in August /. September. I have a comp stay at PH that I am planning on using, since I have a friend staying there.

    So I am definitely not staying at Cosmo, but I do want to stop by, get an identity card and show them some play so that I hopefully get an offer to stay with them in the future.

    So here my challenge, I don't want to burn my bridges with CET, so I am not reducing my plan there. Instead, I am thinking of just having a separate budget that I spend on Cosmo. I am a mix of slots, craps and BJ player, but I plan to mostly play slots at Cosmo. I was thinking of around $1000 for that budget. There is a chance that that budget might drop to $500 or rise to $2000 depending on how my gambling goes at PH. So here are my questions

    What do you guys think of that number? How many hours of play should I show them, given that I am not staying there , 2 hours, 4 hours? Also, what denom slots should I go for to rate a teaser offer? I want my slot play to be decently high enough, but I want it to last a couple hours at least.

    Lastly, I have heard that Cosmo gives bounce-back play a couple days after anyone plays there. When does that happen ... 1 day 2 days, a week? Should I avoid using the bounce-back play since it will show up as another day that I was on their property or is it irrelevant since Cosmo looks at trip theo more than daily theo.

    Thanks for the help.
     
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  2. bayoubengal

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    Do you have any offers from Ceasers Palace or say Cromwell? You could have Kevin the slot VP that posts here take a look and see if it’s something he will match.

    A $1000 bankroll isn’t “a lot” if you’re trying to generate offers. On the tables you’re not going to get a lot back in comps. But at the same time $1000 on slots can evaporate really fast. That said, as a brand new player you’d be more likely to generate a teaser with some drop in play like this than I would since I’ve been playing there for years.

    If you want to stay there get in touch with Kevin. It’s a lot cheaper than $1000.
     
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  3. Sinnerman

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    Yeah, i might contact Kevin on here. I have offers from Bally's, PH, Harrah's and Rio but not from CP or Nobu. So not sure if they would match my PH offer though. The other option would be beefing up my bankroll a bit so I get some decent play in.
     
  4. Big Slotter/kdk

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    I agree with what bayoubengal said above too. Your best bet is to do an "offer match" with them and actually stay there and concentrate your play there.

    I didn't do the offer match but recently talked to a host for a while, and we even talked about this. He said they would match an offer from Caesars, and maybe Paris and PH but not the lower CET properties.

    However, I did something like you are thinking about myself to get on their radar. Last year I was at PH for 4 nights and by the last evening I was sick of their slots and losing there. As much as I was worried about hurting my play with CET I figured one day of half my normal wouldn't hurt too much, so I walked over to Cosmo.

    I played slots for about 4 hours there, and my average bet was probably around $2.50 per spin, ended up cycling between $2500 and $3000 coin-in during that time. I think I lost less than $200 doing this.

    I started getting room offers that were good only on the less busy days, with $25 freeplay, but only for the basic "city" room which doesn't have the outdoor terrace.

    Once I took the first offer and played a full day my offers have been great ever since, get the premium rooms, and no resort fees even though I haven't reached gold yet. If you can get up to the $5000 coin-in per day you will get some nice offers with the premium rooms, etc. My most recent offer didn't include resort fees and I haven't made it to gold yet.

    Also $1000 per day will get you a lot of coin-in there unless you are super unlucky. Every time I have gone I have either won or at least found my bankroll lasts a lot longer than any CET casino.

    I can't speak for table games there though, haven't played any there yet myself.
     
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  5. Figment76

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    My advice would be to go ahead and sleep at pH since you have rooms, but burn them. Take all of your play to Cosmo for the trip, it's just across the street. It takes so little to get back in cet's good graces for the lower tier props that you really don't have much to lose.
     
  6. Sinnerman

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    Yeah that 's a great point. The only reason I want to continue having CET in my back pocket is because I go to AC a couple times a year and I like having a casino company that operates across both cities
     
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    Caesars generally rates you by market once you have established a history there - a drop in Vegas play shouldn't impact your AC offers, from my understanding. Where you might get hurt is new market offers, if you plan on going somewhere you've never played before, like Laughlin or Reno.
     
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  8. TIMSPEED

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    Take $1000 play slots $5 a push for four hours in one day.
    Do not take the bounceback three days later.
    Manage your ADT wisely and you’ll get good shit.
    If you intend on $x dollars over a trip at Cosmo, play it all on ONE DAY; then put your jndentity card in your pocket and never take it back out.
     
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  9. Sinnerman

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    Thanks a lot @TIMSPEED , that was really useful. I will do exactly that. I forgot that using the bounceback cash would result in an additional day of play that might hurt my ADT.
     
  10. Texaschameleon

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    I just saw this post and wondered if someone can answer a question.

    I am going to Palazzo for a slot tournament end of September and wondered if I took 1,000 and played one day at Cosmo how it would affect my offers or ADT

    I have stayed three times this year, only two nights each. I average $20,000 coin in per two night stay. Just over 60,000 coin in for six nights total so far this year.
     
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  11. Texaschameleon

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    Does anyone have advice on whether the drop in play will affect my future offers?
     
  12. TIMSPEED

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    It depends on what you do in ONE DAY.
    If you’re usually a $60k per TRIP player, but you drop-in with $20k in a day.
     
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    I am usually only a 20k plus average for a two night stay. I average 10-12k per day.
     
  14. 7OutLineAway

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    I am not trying to be a smart ass here. Why would you keep running your money through just to get on their radar? You state you hope it lasts a couple of hours. Losing a grand to get back a few hundred in comps is not wise.

    Keep the grand in your pocket and next time you come to vegas, pay for a room with the money. Unless you are going on absolutely peak days, you will buy three days for $1,000. Comp yourself. Shit, mail a check to yourself in the fanciest purple envelope money can buy if you want the attention.

    Kevin's job is to take your money and comp you at a small percentage of your theoretical loss. Don't hand it to them on a silver platter.

    I am not trying to be a smart ass, and hope you have not one, but TWO enjoyable trips! After the second trip, if you hit the radar then so be it, at least you already spent a few days there.
     
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  15. Chuck

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    I'd do the math like this:

    Assume you can get 5x coin-in out of your actual loss limit. That represents a 20% loss, and would be on the higher (bad) side of what I'd expect during a long trip (but not on any given day).

    If you do $10,000 coin in a day at V/P, I'm going to put your daily loss limit (a/k/a bankroll) at $2,000. Or $4,000 for a two-night trip.

    So if your next trip is 2 nights, and you are going to divert $1,000 of of your bankroll to Cosmo, and you're willing to and do lose it all, that's 25% of your V/P bankroll/coin-in/theo. That probably is going to leave a dent, although I don't have enough recent experience at V/P to really even guess how much.

    It would probably drop your coin-in average per day for a 2-night trip from $10,000 to $7,500. That's still plenty healthy. If it dents you at V/P, it will probably come out of your FP & RC first, before room type or date availability, but I'm mostly saying that because that's how I see it work at MLife and CET.

    If your next trip is 3 nights, that would make the dent much more shallow. You'd only be diverting 16% of your total bankroll/theo/coin-in (assuming your daily bankroll is the same no matter how long your trips are).

    I guess my question would be out of curiosity - I'm not sure why you would want/need to go over to Cosmo on this next trip now that you've stayed there. You should be able to get $5,000 coin-in out of the $1,000 bankroll you bring over there, but if you played at or above the $5,000 coin-in/day level when you stayed there, you won't help your comps at Cosmo and could hurt them.

    If you feel like you underplayed Cosmo when you stayed there, the problem is, from what I see, walk-in play at the $5k/day level is not valued as much as when you stay there. So my gut tells me it won't improve your offers if that's what you're trying to do.

    Of course, if you just want to spend time there on the trip, or it would mean you reach the Gold tier, there's nothing wrong with that :) But I would feel a strong urge to keep the gambling money at V/P unless it means reaching Gold at Cosmo. But that's just my M.O.
     
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  16. Hoofy7

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    I haven’t noticed much difference in what I get from casinos being at the highest level card or the lowest. Is it really that beneficial to have a higher tier? I was velvet with zero points over the 4th at Cosmo and I had an amazing stay. I don’t think it would have been any different if I was platinum. Lol ;)
     
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  17. 7OutLineAway

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    Here is another thing you could consider. Walk across the street and get your Identity card. Then, go buy an $800 gift card for the Cosmo. Go back to the Identity desk with your receipt and get 4,000 Identity points. You are now Sterling. On your next trip, use your free night for being Sterling for a Saturday night. Then again enjoy that stay and gamble as you normally would. You just won about a $350 free night and still have your gift card!
     
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  18. Goldenknight

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    Gold nights etc have a real tangible value for sure, most of the other perks aren't that amazing though. I'm a gold, never been platinum player, and I was still able to get 6 nights comped between gold nights and my regular offer so I'm very happy with that. I didn't check the dates I'll be there, but I assume it's gotta be close to $350/night in the One bedroom terrace if I was paying out of pocket.
     
  19. Texaschameleon

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    Thank you all for your advice. I just hit platinum for V/P on my last trip and am gold at Cosmo still working on Platinum. I was thinking of going to Cosmo for a few hours on my three night trip to Palazzo since I enjoy playing there and for a change of scenery but not at the expense of my future offers.

    If it may compromise my offers I will just wait until my next trip there before the end of year. I really appreciate everyone's knowledge.
     
  20. Goldenknight

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    Without staying I don't think you'll effect any future offers much of at all. I've low played a time or two, even when staying there, and don't feel it effected my offers at all.
     
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