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MGM Rewards is Getting Ridiculous

Discussion in 'M life - MGM' started by Jdogg125, Sep 12, 2023.

  1. Jdogg125

    Jdogg125 Bronze

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    I know I’m not alone as I’ve seen many post on how much harder it is to earn points with MGM now. Even with the daily tier bonuses and their tier multiplier days, it just seems like a grind to even achieve gold, and if anything, my bet size in the slits and even the tables has gotten slightly bigger and I never had an issue achieving gold. Hell, I was platinum for a few years. Now this magical wizardry of how you earn a damn slot point is ridiculous. I will say this….and Caesar’s is smart for doing it, and hopefully it shows MGM not to just keep taking advantage of its players. I think Caesar’s knows MGM has made it difficult, so what do they do in return?….have a 10x tier credit multiplier to pretty much poach gamblers. Smart! I went. I earned Diamond plus no problem. For people that bet at even higher levels they will have increased their number of higher tier players and on many occasions probably converted a few if not more people’s business who want to have tier status that doesn’t put you in the poor house to achieve. Curious to other people’s thoughts on this.
     
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    Stage 1- I wish i could get to the next tier level
    Stage 2- Great! Tier multiplier days. Tier level made.
    Stage 3- There are way too many players in this level. I wish the casino made it harder to achieve this level

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  3. stackinchips

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    So true. I will say that I'm annoyed that MGM hasn't brought back priority line for Platinum at Bellagio/Aria at Mlife desks. At this point, the majority of the platinum players has to be weeded out no?

    On CET it probably helps a bit that they've done away with the Diamond Lounges. That was where most people complained about the levels being too easy to achieve because the lounges would be full and overrun and you couldn't get in or get anything. Now just grab your vouchers and go use them at the bar/restaurant of your choice.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. I understand these points of view. And I do agree it shouldn’t be EASY to achieve these levels. I’m actually bummed about them doing away with the lounges. I finally make status and they close them down. Lol! They made it so only Diamond Plus could use lounges which thinned it out a bit. I don’t know, maybe people are made of money these days and can slap $25 a spin. I make a decent living in entertainment and I gamble a fair share of money, I just do it over the course of several trips since I live close to Vegas. So as much as I don’t want it to be EASY to reach a status, the system MGM has gone to is really tough in comparison. I don’t need top tier. I like gold with a good ADT, good room offers, freeplay, good and bev, and most importantly no taxes or resort fees. Not a lot to ask for with as much as I go and play. Oh well. We shall see what happens. I do like the vouchers with Caesar’s though as you can use them at any time. But I just lived the lounge atmosphere, getting a little snack and having an exclusive little
    Hideaway to grab a drink in between gambling shifts. Good luck everyone.
     
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    The problem with moving to CET from MGM is that you'd actually have to stay at CET properties as well as the odds on most games being much worse than other casinos.

    So, if you don't care about resorts and money... CET is great.
     
  6. Tesla

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    If I had to start over with a casino loyalty program I'd pick Wynn.
     
  7. Chuck

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    It IS true that making Gold at MGM requires wayyyyyyyy more play than making Diamond at CET, for basically the same benefits - $100 for a dinner, and guaranteed no resort fees.

    However, there is one difference - at MGM you can still get out of resort fees as part of your offers and you don't have to really be a huge player to get those types of offers.

    Depending on your trip habits, playing at the same level that will earn you Diamond at CET (without bringing in too many multipliers) will also get you MGM offers with no resort fees, without having to reach Gold.

    MGM is also slowly moving towards making it easier to reach Gold, Their daily tier bonus is a first step, it's not as generous as CET's, but it's clear they figured they needed to do it. I expect that "promo" will probably become permanent. I'm also kind of expecting them to start doing multiplier promos (probably 2x) at some point.

    They have also been much more generous with room comps for most of this year. So they are sort of balancing things out, slowly.

    I just hope they don't get to the point where they pull resort fee waivers out of offers and make them totally contingent on reaching Gold.
     
  8. Jdogg125

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    These are also some excellent points. That is very true. I have gotten those offers with no resort fees in the past. I’m still currently gold so luckily it doesn’t matter. They have been good with their offers. My offers have always been fairly decent so definitely not complaining about that. I really focus on making sure my ADT is in check as I know that is the most important. Before I understood ADT I shot myself in the foot years ago, I was living at Ballys for 5 months working on Hells Kitchen series and occasionally would pop over to Bellagio each day and play some slots. Figured, keep my loyalty. But I’d only bet $100 here and there thinking……I’m here for months. Had a friend who also used my card when he’d go to games (he lives in Vegas), and would spin $50 here. $50 there. Then I found out that was wreaking havoc on my ADT. I got it back in order and now keep track of it. Hahaha!
     
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  9. NickPappageorgio

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    So let me get this straight.

    If my bankroll is $3,000, and they take away the $300 freeplay they're giving me, these guys think I will respond by doubling my bankroll?


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    The rooms I get comped cost the casino at least 6x the amount of offer freeplay I get.

    If they are talking about slot points earned from playing, that's smaller than either offer freeplay or room value. I earn about $90 in slot points per stay at MGM. Take that away, I'm still not doubling my bankroll to compensate, lol.

    Maybe they are talking about luring X-ers to slots by giving entries to lotteries to win bottle service or Taylor tix or something, instead of points.
     
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    Yeah I think Acres Technology is full of shit.

    But yes that's is some of what that company is trying to promote, more tailored bonusing.

    If slot hold goes from 10% to 6% by withholding free play, no way the coin-in doubles to make the casino more profitable in the end.
     
  12. CherriesJubilee

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    Freeplay is usually just a "rebate" of past losses to entice you to come back and play (loose) more... I don't really consider that as an "expense".
     
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  13. NickPappageorgio

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    Agreed that some of the things this company is saying are 100% complete and utter shite. That said, I first ran across this article on Twitter (X, whatever) based on a retweet by the American Gaming Association.

    They are just a mouthpiece for the casinos (their gambling hall of fame has no actual gamblers in it, only casino and gaming company executives) and they've a history of throwing out these canaries in coal mines to take the unpopular blow back so the casinos don't have to.

    I do agree that the call seems to be moving to 'jackpot' style promos rather than just straight free play. The old adage of "you have to spend money to make money" seems to be lost on many of the casinos these days. With room rates going up, food prices going up, prices of all amenities going up and gambling odds getting way, way worse, it's pretty clear that many casino companies view the future of Las Vegas not as the "Gambling Capitol of the World" but as the "Entertainment Capitol of America".

    For a hefty price of course.

    Las Vegas will always have gaming but, on the Strip at least, it's just not an important part of the equation these days. It's something they expect people to do while waiting for a dinner reservation, a show, while waiting for their friends to get ready before getting bottle service at the night-club etc.

    Gambling has become just another thing people pay for and do on their Vegas trips.

    I don't think that comps will ever really go away. It's better to give someone a free room than to let it sit empty obviously, but I do think what we're going to see, on the Strip at least, in the very near future is going to look markedly different than what we see today and this article is just the first shot in the upcoming devaluation of the gambling guest. (Beyond the devaluation that has already happened)
     
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  14. Tesla

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    ^ Agree with the above. It was fun while it lasted at least. :)
     
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    I dunno - the strip made 8.2 billion in gaming revenue in 2022 - the most in history. Meanwhile the shows I think, took a step back since the Pandemic and loss of conventions - Cirque is having trouble surviving and has downsized. A few other shows have closed. Bigger concerts seem to be popular, but on a whole I don't think the ratio of revenue from gaming vs. revenue from other-than-gaming has changed much, and if it has I'd guess it's nudged a bit more in the gaming column.
     
  16. tringlomane

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    People are moving from production shows to concerts and clubs, IMO.
     
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  17. Tesla

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    Topic #1: Tring is definitely on to something. During our trip this past week we got suggestive sold about shows by all kinds of different MGM employees: "Oh what are your plans while you're here? Are you planning to see any shows?" I'm talking dealers, waitstaff, spa employees...you name it. There has to be some sort of corporate mandate to get people's butts in seats at these production shows.

    Topic #2: MGM Rewards Program changes. We hung on to Gold status for 2024, but we took three trips this year and spent like crazy (Aria Sky Suite, high end dinners, daily trips to the spa) to get there. If it wasn't for the "earn X points and get Y extra" daily bonuses, we wouldn't have made it.

    It's always been the case that I get hardly any Tier credits for gambling. My dollars wagered are solid (black/purple chips) but I play with a low house edge so generate very little theo. It's actually bad when the pit boss compliments you on how well you play blackjack, so I know they are rating me as a perfect basic strategy player, not an average player.

    I hope they make some adjustments to the MGM Rewards program for 2024, because we spent MORE this year than we did to earn Platinum status pre-adjustments, and barely squeaked into Gold. I don't think I'll ever earn Platinum again and that's fine since they made the Platinum rewards better, but Gold needs to be easier to get than it currently is.
     
  18. chrisp1490

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    MGM rewards got totally nerfed. I used earn 300,000 to 400,000 tier credit a year no problem. Now after 2 trips this year I have just over 100,000 tier credits. I won't earn platinum this year and I don't really even care. The only perk I ever used was the line pass at certain restaurants. Bottom line is, it seems like all Vegas comp programs suck compared to smaller more local casinos.
     
  19. IrishDave

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    Tbh, I've reached the point where tier really doesn't matter to me. I was (very) low platinum at both MGM and Cosmo for a few years, but I've dialed things back the past couple of years and now am very low gold at MGM and cardboard at Cosmo. My MGM offers have actually gotten slightly better on similar play as in the past and my Cosmo offers have pretty much dried up as my recorded play there has pretty much dried up.

    I get the allure of the higher dining credit and airfare with MGM platinum, but those are new and not worth the significant additional gambling and/or spending needed to get there for me. I actually feel like I gained something with the gold dining credit, as I'll still just barely make gold with my normal play, but I'll get a $100 dining credit I wasn't getting before, even at platinum. The only other perk I thought was worthwhile was the 3x point multiplier at platinum with Identity, but it's going away.
     
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    I'm currently platinum in 2023 with 120,000 TC which is good to maintain gold during 2024. But this kinda sucks because I'm well past the minimum for gold and approaching platinum even though the spend to get there totally isn't worth it.

    I also have the Royal Caribbean tier match option in my back pocket as well. At Diamond level in the Crown and Anchor Society, I can match to MGM Gold indefinitely without spending a single dime at MGM properties, so it begs the question, why even attempt to earn tier credits for gold.

    I'll definitely still play at Park MGM, Aria, and Cosmo once the conversion is done, but I need to get another player's club going. I walked thru Venetian/Palazzo last weekend to scope it out. I still want to stay on the strip where I have easier access to things.
     
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