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MLife or Total Rewards - Which is better?

Discussion in 'Comps - General Comp Discussion' started by Mama4five, Jun 28, 2018.

  1. Grid!

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    Glad to see this thread get bumped. As I thought for sure there would have been a more spirited discussion on this topic, over the past 3 years since it was up.

    I play mostly all slots, with a tiny bet of higher denom video poker sprinkled in.

    In Vegas, with Mlife it takes $3.00 of coin in on a non-specialty slot machine to get 10 tier credits + 1 penny in slot play (point play/free play) and 1 penny in express comps (experience/dining credits). So, for every $300 of coin in you drive through those machines, you will earn 1,000 tier credits to move up a card level, $1.00 in free play and $1.00 in express comps. All in, that's at least $2.00 from points

    If you had a higher tier level card, add 10% for Pearl, 20% for Gold, 30% for Platinum and 40% for Noir. It is pretty easy to get to Gold for most slot players, that will log a couple trips to an Mlife casino.

    That would make the above $1.10 - $1.40 in Free Play + $1.10-$1.40 in Express Comps and 1,100 - 1,400 TC's.

    25,000 TC's make Pearl (10% discount at the gift shop. Line cuts at the buffets. Free Self Parking)
    75,000 TC's make Gold (Same discounts. Lines cuts also for pools, nightclubs hotel and restaurants)
    200,000 TC's make Platinum (15% gift shop discounts . Lines cuts for all above, plus taxis. Free Valet and Platinum Experiences)

    The math is a mess, as you earn more points as you go and the multiplier extends into that. But being lazy, if you start the year Gold (20% bonus TC's) with 0 tier credits, it would take about $50K of coin in, on non-specialty slots, to earn 200,000 TC's and be Platinum.

    With Caesars Rewards, it is as straight forward as it can be. $5.00 in a slot, any slot, and you get 1 penny in reward credits (food/shopping) and 1 Tier credit. There is no accelerated earning for those points as you climb the club ladder.

    The same $300 in coin as the above on slots (any slot) is worth 300 TC's and 30 cents in shopping/dinning. Making the Mlife program over 7 times greater in immediate return value. That adds up fast

    5,000 TC's gets you Platinum (15% discount at the gift shop, line cuts at some buffets and free parking)
    15,000 TC's gets you Diamond (20% gift shop discount, line cuts at most restaurants and hotels. VIP Lounge, but for a fee, and free parking)

    You have bonus points, if you gamble enough each day. 500 TC's in a day is now worth 625 points. 1,000 TC's is worth 2,000. The bonuses above that are better, 2,500 gets you 7,500. But, since that is over $12K in coin in, on a single day, that is beyond typical play for most players.

    The easy rout is the 1,000 TC's for $5K in coin. Which gets you a 1,000 TC bonus. With that, do it 8 times in 8 days and you are looking at $40,000 in coin, with the bonus, to be Diamond. Without the bonuses, you are looking at $75,000 in coin to get there.

    I think CET is much easier to get free rooms, but the quality of rooms you get reflect that. Mlife generally has better properties, and my free play and dining offers are always twice that of what I get from CET.

    I get a better room, twice as much free play and dining credits up front and my play earns me at least 7 times the immediate point play value of Total Rewards.

    I appreciate that Mlife lets me earn points at my pace to move up, where CET has me gable more in a day in order to hit those much needed bonus points for the tier climb.

    Flip that, and I like that CET gives me the same points no matter what slot I play. Where as Mlife makes me play $10 on some games to earn the 2 pennies in comp and 10 TC's. With that said, even those shitty ripoff specialty slots at Mlife STILL give me the same 2 cents in immediate comp value as any and every slot at CET, so it just becomes a push.

    And with CET, if you would rather use those reward credits for slots instead of shops and eats. they are only worth half as much. IE, $5.00 for 1 RC and its only worth half a penny for slots. With Mlife, your $3.00 per is worth 1 full penny for slots and 1 full penny for shops/eats. Its a much better system.
     
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  2. Chicken Dinner

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    Grid! Good to see you here. Any recent gambling excursions? I need more Grid report!
    Totally agree with your conclusion above regarding a coin-in dollar. I would add 2 things. Personally, the whole COVID mess hasn't changed my MLIFE offers in the slightest while it has opened up a lot more room offers from CET. Now, I haven't stayed at a CET joint since the IP... so maybe they just want me back. I tell my wife - Harrah's really wants me back, 3 nites and a $15 gas card is too strong an offer to resist. Crazy lady has yet to go for it.
    Now, when you say this are your coin-ins similar? Kinda shocks me that the FP and RC would be so different given similar coin-in.
    Not sure how CET divides up their properties and offers. MLIFE - I get all the same FP/RC offers for the upscale properties and then for the lower ones a bump in RC. Mirage as upscale is the divider.
     
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  3. JulianC

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    Not anymore. Since 1 October 2019, the earning rate for base Express Comps in Vegas changed to $1 for every $36 of theo (or 2.7777777777777% of theo). My source for that is meticulous record-keeping of my play at MGM properties after the Express Comp earning rate changed. I also observed that specialty slots earn Express Comps at only half the rate of non-specialty slots (that is, $1 of Express Comps for every $72 of theo). The hold percentage on a non-specialty slot would need to be at least 12% in order for $300 of coin-in to earn $1 worth of base points and at least $1 worth of base Express Comps. (Guess what? A lot of non-specialty penny slots these days come in at around 12% hold.) Despite that, the combined value of points and Express Comps for non-specialty slot play even at the Mlife Sapphire level is more than the maximum value of RCs with Caesars Rewards.
     
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  4. newmans

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    I'm pretty much a CET loyalist. I've stayed/played at Cosmo and Mlife. I find I get way more bang for my play at CET. I'm a table player. I have more RCs than I could use. Converting RCs to FP goes against comps. My primary is in Vegas, so I'll convert RCs to FP outside of Vegas.
    As far as offers go, they have definitely gone up. I haven't been to Vegas since February 2020. My FP offers are now 4x what they were since then.
     
  5. Ez07302

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    They had 2 floors before, 25 and 43(i think, was in the 40s). You can change your preference in your My Rewards profile on the webpage, not sure on the app/mobile.
     
  6. Ez07302

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    From what I've seen CET the FP/RC is the same for all properties, but the # nights and or available properties/rooms varies(CP and Cromwell are in their higher tier for properties, and I believe suites in Paris require a higher rating).
     
  7. Grid!

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    Good to be seen CD!

    No gambling for me in nearly a year. I snuck out for a quicky at the locals, but it aint Vegas! Wife wont let me do anything until this blows over. Fingers crossed I can get out by Spring. I havent added to my site in over a year. Crazy!

    Treasure Island was blowing me up with great offers post COVID. Now, those offers are back to the same as they have been. Same with Mlife and CET, those never changed.

    Yes, my coin-in is pretty damn close to the same. I dont change my choice of machines, or time on device. Looking back on my tax info, I do play a little more coin in at Mlife properties, but that seems to be more cycling, as I dont lose as much as fast as I do with CET.

    Same with Cosmo, I play through more there, but on the same bankroll. I get more play than Mlife, which is more than CET. Add in Treasure Island, which I get more play than Cosmo, which is more than Mlife which is more than CET.

    BUT, my CET play is only off like 10-15% compared to Mlife, and yes it does throw my offers off that much.

    It is not a new thing, it has always seemed to work out this way. With the exception of my ditching CET for a year, and getting some great we miss you offers. i come back, the offers peter out and I have to ditch them again.

    All things considered, for mostly the same play. The comps I get at Mlife really are that much better.
     
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  8. Grid!

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    Man, a guy takes a year off and everything goes to shit!

    Now I need a slide rule and an abacus when I gamble!
     
  9. IrishDave

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    Just take @tringlomane
     
  10. Mr. Vice

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    In my experience, CET offers have been better to me than MLife. I pretty much play VP exclusively (other than some live poker) and have no problem getting 5 nights comped, weekends included, and can usually get a small suite. I find it hard to find any playable VP at MLife Properties. I mostly play DDB and CET has plenty of 8/5 DDB and occasionally I can find a 9/5 game at .50 or Dollar level. MLife's system is pretty confusing to me as well and probably why Ceasars Rewards is voted the best players club consistently.
     
  11. 44inarow

    44inarow Cool Story Bro
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    That's pretty much where I am. I'm an Mlife loyalist, but primarily because I vastly prefer their properties, and that's a huge part of it. If you're a moderate (i.e., not a micro-roller, not a whale) player, my understanding is that it's much easier to get comp rooms at Caesars, especially if you're a slots player, but I just enjoy Aria and am willing to pay for it. And Mr. Pappageorgio is correct that Mlife is pretty generous on tier points for resort spend. I believe it's 25 points per dollar in Vegas; that said, I've been having trouble getting my tier points applied correctly lately, though I'm not sure if that's a policy change or just the result of their stupid computers still not working properly.
     
  12. dailun

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    I'll tend to agree with @44inarow . I was CET 7* for several years, but have since switched back to mLife (Platinum). I still retain Diamond+ with CET for the comped resort fees and lounge access, but I like the hotels at mLIfe just a smidgen better.

    That, plus the 25X per $1 spend ratio and other amenities make mLife my current choice.

    I am experimenting with V/P, Wynncore, and Cosmopolitan.
     
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  13. JeJas

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    Mlife's EC algorithm change doesn't affect slot players much.
    In fact, it was designed to make most slot players getting similar EC as before.
    For VP players, it is a completely different story.
     
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  14. Chicken Dinner

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    Something I find interesting...
    I get multiple marketing emails from CET a day and they're all different. 2 days, 3 days, 50 dollars in FP, $25 Macys card, 15$ Gas card, a slot tourney, BJ tourney, etc.
    I get multiple emails a week from MLIFE. And the offers are always the same, every once in a while I'll get a slot tourney offer. My favorite are the ones this past week. Semi Annual MLIFE Sale! And the offers are exactly the same as the offers that I always get and will still get after the "sale" is over.
     
  15. Ez07302

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    The sale is on the room rates. The offer is the same nights/FP, but you might qualify for a better room at the sale rate.
     
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