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Odds changing based on bet amount? (Aristocrat Wild Wild)

Discussion in 'Slot Machines' started by kwool, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. kwool

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    Watched a video of some play of Wild Wild Nugget (by Aristocrat).

    Saw this info screen pop up when the player upped their bet. I've never seen anything similar on any other game. Does this mean the payback % is different based on the bet size? I believe it was common knowledge that within a denom, the payback % did not change based on bet size.

    Anyone have any info on how this works and what exactly it means?

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  2. tringlomane

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    Yes, you can change the payback based on bet multiplier on games. It's probably more common than it used to be with newer slots. But it's also more work for the casino to set it that way. Or even Aristocrat may have even intentionally designed it that way. Some slots are made that way now.

    I'm just sorta suprised that Aristocrat wrote that out explicitly.

    Also this is the play deck of a Wild Wild Samurai game. I don't know if they are implying higher payback or not. Or literally bigger pays, "Well duh, the prizes are bigger when you bet more."

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    If they explicitly say that odds/pays are changing with bet changing, they have at least built in to the machine the possibility of a higher payback, but to @tringlomane 's point, a casino also has to choose to set it that way if it's based on the underlying payback settings. Kevin from Cosmo showed an example on here of four settings, one for each denom. Cosmo chose to set the two lower at one level and the two higher at a better level, but that doesn't mean all casinos can or will use different settings.

    But I've also seen Aristocrat explicitly market a higher payback for a certain symbol for higher bets - More More Chili will pay you better for the Chihuahua at a higher bet, for instance. So the pay tables in that case were designed for encouraging a higher bet for a higher payback, however much or little it might be.

    I'm not seeing that in Wild Wild Samurai in what i can find, so I'd therefore presume it's the payback settings. I wonder if all Wild Wild does this, or only certain ones; if the latter, might further indicate a configuration than a standard thing. But Aristocrat seems to make it more explicit when betting more could pay more, so if so at least kudos to them for making sure that's clear.
     
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    So just a quick update - played tonight and on the one I played it was referencing the nuggets on Wild Wild Nugget (unlike Samurai it had a nugget symbol in that text) on the bet panel. Which effectively means nothing. Of course you get bigger nugget pays on higher bets! You can also lose your shirt faster :)

    So I'm now not as confident there's a pay table shift, but I was in a rush so I need to do a bit more homework when I get a chance. But it may just be about the nuggets and how they change based on the bet.

    EDITED: Found RandomSlots' video on this. Love that channel because he puts screenshots of the pay table upfront:



    The fascinating aspect is at 0:11:

    "The game is made up of multiple sets of 5 reels. During each spin, a set of reels will be randomly selected to be used for that spin."

    So there's not one reel set... and that's fascinating, and may be part of why that messaging appears - maybe the reel sets are weighted differently based on bet level, or designed differently with higher payout possibilities? Definitely not something I'm used to seeing in a paytable readout but maybe others have?
     
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  5. tringlomane

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    In the videos ive seen with the message, the message for payback changes only appears when they change the bet size. At Cosmo, particularly.

    The multiple reel set thing is weird to me. Maybe to manipulate the variance in a more desirable way?

    I want to say that similar results can be achieved by just using a larger reel set. It's a video slot so a reel set could have thousands of symbols per reel if they wished.
     
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    Some slots like the old IGT ones for the Ghost slot and Little Shop of Horrors slot explicitly said that the payback was higher with higher bets...

    WD2 explicitly says that different reel sets are used for different bet levels...
     
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    So it's funny that this topic has already been posted because a friend and I were just discussing this. Do we know which games this is a factor in?

    For example min betting at nickles on buffalo gold ($3/spin) vs max betting at pennies ($3.60/spin)? Or on 88 fortunes min betting on dimes ($8.80/spin) vs max betting on pennies ($8.80/spin)? Seems like if there is no payback change then it's advantageous to play lower multiplier at a higher denomination if the payback and progressives are higher.
     
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    It's not fundamentally different from how VP paytables change based on the denomination -- at Lift Bar in Aria, for example, JoB is 8/5 at $1 but only 7/5 at $0.25. Unfortunately, unlike with VP, it's difficult to tell exactly what the changes are.
     
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    Yeah, if it looks like there is no incentive to betting max credits, I would be betting fewer credits at the higher denomination.
     
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