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Slot Channel Super Chats are ruining YouTube

Discussion in 'YouTube, Blog and Social Media Links' started by Funkhouser, Feb 17, 2020.

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  1. Funkhouser

    Funkhouser Regional Gambling Specialist
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    Well, I had to unsub one of my favorite YouTube channels this week. Too bad I really liked the guy, he posted cool videos, was real about his gambling, and his videos were the genuine stuff. Not a lot of the over edited filmed content to maximize ad revenue. He had a store, wasn't peddling the fake slot clubs, group pulls meant to maximize comps, patreon begging, and all the other useless crap YouTubers recommend to maximize your channel profit.

    Nope! The area where he crossed into a moral line for me, is the plague of YouTube, the Super Chat. I won't be back to his channel. I unsubbed. He's dead to me now, along with a lot of other YouTuber who just want to monetize the sh@t of their channel. For those unfamiliar with what is a Super Chat? It’s a method to amplify the visibility of your chat message on a live stream by making it larger, giving it some color, and pinning it atop the chat window for a period of time.

    You may ask why am I so harsh on a bunch of people just looking to make a buck? Funk are you anti capitalism? No not at all, as a business owner myself, I love free markets, and bringing my customers real value everyday in what I do. It's just Super Chats are wrong on so many levels. Let me break it down for you and why I think everyone should hate Super Chats and abandon those channels making money off them.

    - It promotes the idea in an online world, that only those who pay get the special privilege of being noticed.
    Do you have something clever to say? Better cough up a few bucks to make sure your fellow viewers see and appreciate your wit. If you know anything about the history of the internet, it was always meant to be a free online community to allow people to connect. This idea of paid messaging ruins communities.

    - It's a form of online panhandling from people who are exploiting their channel to create a paid online popularity contest between viewers. There's an IO kit and all kinds of additional things that different Super Chat amounts can drive. Basically the more you spend, the bigger the online recognition you can get.

    - For Slot Channels it promotes the idea that its okay to pay others to gamble. Your chat money is essentially funding someone else's gambling habits, so you can get some type of online recognition.
    Maybe some of these people have gambling addictions that YouTube just further enables? I don't know but lets look at it from the creative perspective. The idea pushed is these are creators and your supporting your favorite content.

    But really whats so creative about slipping some money in a slot machine, pushing a button, and filming it? Wouldn't that money be better spent on your own Vegas trip? What about supporting real online artists. Writers with blogs, struggling journalist promoting stories that wouldn't otherwise be told, people sharing useful information on YouTube that helps others, or real struggling artists like musicians with talent, but not the financial means to get recognized.

    - It gives online trolls the process of harassing a streamer by just buying a Super Chat and leaving an abusive messages pinned

    - It creates a race to the bottom among YouTube creators looking to do more extreme or shocking things to earn a higher Super Chat income to get peoples attention. It's kinda shocking the content being generated to feed money.

    Lastly Super Chats now are now being marketed to influence public opinion and political messaging. Unfortunately in our society we have people without the disposable income to spend on manipulating messaging on YouTube streams. These people are being left out? Do we want only the wealthy in our society able to speak with the added volume of color and a pin?

    So before you click sub, kick some Super Chat money, or even join that channel. Think about the reason you are doing it, and ask yourself is my money really helping to make YouTube a better online community.
     
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    I don’t usually watch the live streams just the shorter videos as I just want bite sized content for the most part.
     
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    I really like some of the content, it's well done, useful, and sometimes entertaining. The whole slot channel thing though has really gone down the shitter.
    When it first started it was great, seeing new slots, you had some funny people that filmed themselves, they were interesting, funny, relevant and titles reflected the video content.

    Fast Forward 4 years. Now YouTube is being filled with people wanting a celebrity status, the videos are all over 10 mins to make sure YouTubers are able to get required ad revenue (Even when there is only 2 mins of useful content). YouTubers are promoting other non tangible garbage to get subscriber revenue.

    I think I used to follow around 20 different slot channels back when they started. I basically have been dumping everyone one as they shift their content and positioning to one of pure monetization. Unsubbing them all.

    Slowly they are all selling out, probably to fund the daily gambling habits needed to keep their channel full of content IMHO. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of losing at gambling videos and those big wins they post, takes thousands of dollars in losses before they hit. I guess google has decided that world wants everyone making money off their YouTube content.
     
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    Been using slot videos to put me to sleep for years and years. I don't mean that as an insult either, went to sleep with dreams of being in Vegas. We have stopped watching most channels from the olden days because of the live streams. Half an hour each time spent acknowledging people with the camera just staring at a machine that isn't being played.

    I miss when videos were done for the fun of it. I know, I'm old school on some things.

    Maybe I should just start making my own. Then I could remember how the trip really went, win or lose. And I won't say hi to anyone stupid enough to watch me! LOLOLOL I do need to warn that my voice is awful; I have a potty mouth and a very dirty mind; and I have taken to high fiving for bonuses (mostly so I can hit the hell out of Jim's hand and make it sting lol).
     
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    What's more pathetic, the YouTubers pushing the superchats, or the people that pay for them?

    I can't imagine subsidizing people to play slots. They would have to be some of the most entertaining people in the world to get money out of me. There are tons of people out there doing this, and even tons more doing it with non-gambling topics.
     
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    I humiliate myself regularly for the free entertainment of my blog readers. Maybe I should start a super-humiliation chat blog channel?
     
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    Jimmy Poon could set that up for you easily. Maybe even make a loonie or a toonie out of it.
     
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    The group pull is the most brilliant though. Only risk a couple hundred for several thousand in coin in. And honestly if you’re only running it through once chances are you lose less than half. If a machine has an assumed payback of 90% and you’ve got at least 10 shares. The theoretical generated will be what you put in.
     
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    That's one of those fun things, turned into exploitation. I have participated in a few group pulls to share risk and have some casual fun. What I see nowadays is this. The sponsor is using it to pull in their fan base to a particular casino. The sponsor may or may not be getting kick backs from casino in some form, which is not disclosed to the participants. I have know of people getting extra free play, backend comps, and loss rebates from superchats and play of people who registered for the event.

    Next is who's card gets all the play. Well most of the sponsors I have heard are getting any comps earned from the group pull on their card. Normally some bullshit excuse follows on why they have to ONLY play on the group pull organizers card.

    Lastly is taxation, of course the person playing doesn't assume all the tax liability even though they are benefiting from the comps. That's coming out of everyone elses group pull share. Unless your lucky enough to have someone pushing the button as being exempt from US holding.
     
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    I'd like to mention Bridger for this as he's a Brit. His group pulls are all about the play and nothing more, at least on camera.
     
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    I don't quite get it. I guess I could understand the rationale if it was a really famous person and you wanted a story to tell. "Hey one time I was participating in an online chat with Oprah and she said my name for giving a $1000 bucks to her girls school in africa."

    VS.

    I just SC Jimmy's Slot Channel $15 while he was in a Fu Doo Doo bonus and he dropped my name.

    I've bought some merchandise from some people with online presences, I given a few bucks to see some talented singers / musicians a bump so more
    people can hear them. Heck I've even given a down on his luck gambler $20 bucks for a new fan belt.

    I guess I hope by drawing attention to it, even in my small little way, it might give some people pause from doing it. I know of a couple of people on this board who have channels doing this crap. I don't blame them, it's the herd mentality, but its far from ethical no matter what YouTube may try to tell you.
     
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    Struggling with a response to specifically this part. Adults can obviously choose what to watch and where to spend their money. God help me if this forum becomes a place where people are comfortable trying to publicly shame me to modify my behavior.

    @Funkhouser you do have interesting points-I discussed superchats with my kids today just because of this post to see what they thought because they're on youtube a lot. they feel that as long as they can see the livestream without donating any money, superchats are fine because it's a choice. have you considered making the kind of videos that you miss? maybe fill the void for others that feel the same as you?
     
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    If someone’s built a large community of followers and one feels part of the community and wants to support that community with super chats, so be it. The videographer may not be as well known as Oprah, but to someone in their community, they are a celebrity. Getting a shout out during a live stream might be the one thing that brings joy to someone who has had a crappy day. It might be the type of entertainment they need.

    If someone says f u to the process and unsubscribes, so be it.

    The great thing is we get to vote with our dollars and our time.
     
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    You make me want to expound on my comments in this thread. I don't understand people donating to hear their name on a video. Makes no sense to me. Just like my gambling makes no sense to my family. Hell, I had a cousin purposely delay her wedding gift so I "couldn't take her money to Vegas".

    I still like one of the YT posters I met years ago. I still watch their videos. I'm just irritated that they aren't about what I love anymore and most of the time is calling out those donating and not playing.

    I love that I can voice my opinions here and I might still be tolerated by a few. People, do what you want but consider why you're doing it. I don't think I'd like gambling as much if it were truly a job.
     
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    I think for many of the Slot Channel hosts, an activity that was originally their hobby, simply sharing their experiences, became a job.
     
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    I really appreciate “hearing” differing opinions on this board. And to know that it’s okay to have and to share our opinions with each other.
     
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    I would just like to say that I personally witnessed the down on his luck fan belt gambler transaction.

    I would add that it did nothing to improve Funk's gambling karma that night.
     
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    Shaming was a bad word choice on my part, I should have said give consideration (I edited it). I am not trying to make people feel bad about themselves, but I do think people are exploiting others need for validation. I hold the opinion that paid messaging is exploitative and ruining what YouTube was created for in the name of profit. BTW the way I am not opposed to streamers making money where fair value is returned, ad revenue, etc. I think its a tough case to justify the value being created from Super Chats or any type money exchange for paid recognition. Especially for one focused on gambling, where we know there are a lot of people with addictive personality types.

    Boy if I had free time in my life, I would be making a bunch of 3 to 4 minute videos. But I am supporting people who are embracing my thoughts thru merchandise purchases, subbing, and not skipping ads on their channels.

    Remind me how they are supporting the community. What value does the community receive? The YouTuber receives money. BTW you can have live streams and disable Super Chats. YouTube created it as a monetization platform. They could have just as easily done it with special statuses by views, icons, likes, comments, and participation but it was born out of generating money for YouTube. You could almost say its a form of paid marketing targeted as the individual.

    I would think in a community we would want free recognition. Like I mentioned in my original post, it promotes the idea of only those who pay are worthy of acknowledgement. I liken it to the kid who pays others to be their friend. Most people wouldn't encourage their children to bribe someone to be their friend. One of the less talked about aspects of social media like YouTube is the impact on mental health. I have a friend who is a psychologist who has seen a huge jump in the last 5 years of depression cases driven by peoples self perception of themselves due to social media. It's creating this reality distortion for people where likes and how we view ourselves are being overly influenced by the acknowledgement we get online.

    Again, I really hope some of these people are successful, there's plenty of people earning it on YouTube with the content who are not dependant on Patreon, channel memberships, and super chats to make money.
     
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    BTW...I forgot to mention this. So I run a business and we had a marketing team pitch to us what we should be doing in terms of bigger social presence.
    Our partners had this presentation that was the business side of social on how to maximize our customer potential and it gave stats on social media influence.
    There's a ton of money being poured into how to manipulate peoples thoughts and emotions thru social

    Just look at this marketing article for businesses. It talks about triggers during chats to increase empathy. This is from a real handout I got
    from a marketing consultant, about how we need to be tapping into our customers psyc.

    Sample section of article.

    Apart from the constant yearning for instant gratification, live chat caters to another innate human trait: self-obsession. People are fixated on their own desires and ambitions. This self-love translates in a longing for other people to show interest in them. Moreover, when they get the attention they seek, it gives them a sense of being unique, relevant, and important.

    When it comes to live chat, you can implement this in several different ways. Here are two of them:

    • Call the customers by their name: If it sounds simple enough, it is because it is. Simply calling customers by their first name is an excellent start to making them feel that you care. According to Dale Carnegie, author of “How to Win Friends and Influence People,” “a man’s name to him is the sweetest and most important sound in the English language”.
    • Ask questions: Similar to a date, asking questions is an excellent way to make people feel that you are focused on them. People like people who ask questions because it makes it about them. Also, in live chat, apart from making them feel special, asking questions will also allow you to find out what exactly it is they want, and, ultimately, resolve their issues.
     
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    In the same way as donating to a public radio station during a pledge drive. My value- commercial free classical music. The donor to the slot channel feels they receive value from supporting the channel.

    This is simply a choice of where to spend one’s money.

    @Funkhouser , I understand where you are coming from. The things you’ve pointed out are the “why” I rarely watch slot videos. I’ve never donated, purchased merchandise from any slot channel. I also understand why people support slot channels.
     
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