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Slot Strategy- how to make money last

Discussion in 'Slot Machines' started by cryptopiggie, Jan 27, 2020.

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    Omg-made me laugh, but hope you have a great comeback!
     
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    Crypto. You fail only when you fail to have fun. After all it is all for fun and game. Soon or later you will catch the lucky break. You just need to wait it out between by taking a break with walk or wonderful drinks or taking a bath (I only do this at vegas since someone cleans the tub for u) or better yet spa to relax that sore shoulder or finger or snapping pictures and posting. You are to have fun and if u did you did well. So go out and have fun, damn it! ;)
    And thanks so much for sharing!
     
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    No, i'm gonna miss that one, we're going back for in mid march for March Madness, i love that week in vegas!
     
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    Ha - at least my memory is still sharp. One week I plan on avoiding is the draft. I read that they are shutting down the strip for draft night. It is going to be held in front of the Bellagio fountains.

    The draft is April 23rd to the 25th.
     
  6. Roulette

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    DO NOT PLAY THEMED MACHINES.

    The takeout is higher ue to them having to pay a royalty. Play generic, non "licensing fee" machines, your money will last longer.

    If your looking for handpays, you need to play 10-20 a spin for anything decent. You will lose faster yes, but you are also inceasing your chance of hitti g a nice handpay.

    Im not a huge slotter but when u do play, I play 20-100 a spin and I will garantee a handpay pretty much. WoF 100 a spin and various others at 20-100/spin. When i play slots its with "Burn money" that I made playing tables. I will usually have 5 habdpays or more in a 4-6 hour session.

    Ultimately, its gambling. Increase your bets and/or bankroll. Less time on machine but when you hit, well worth it. I would rather play in traffic on the strip than play a .01 slot.
     
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    Hey @Roulette stop holding back and tell us how you really feel!! :tearsofjoy:
     
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    While I know this is a "common knowledge" thing about slots, slot design approaches tend to evolve. I've spoken personally with slot designers in the past year who have told me that on licensed slots nowadays the paybacks are generally similar to non-licensed slots but instead they up the minimum bet, so more money is wagered through the machine per spin. That exposes more money to the house edge, and still gets the desired results over time. You'll notice it when you see the minimum bet of, say, Wheel of Fortune 4-D vs. Golden Egypt, given both are very similar games in design.

    All that said, you bet more, so you'll, on average, lose more because of the higher wagers. So one way to make your money last? Lower bets. Find machines that let you choose how many lines to bet, for instance. Lower your volatility by lowering your bet.
     
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  9. NickPappageorgio

    NickPappageorgio ¿Quién vigila a los vigilantes?
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    I've been gone from this machine for too long. No one provided the obvious answer.


    "Only pick winning machines"


    See? Simple.
     
  10. Grid!

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    Just like snowflakes, every gambler has their own system for picking slots and money management.

    Some of you all must work for NASA. I'd need a slide rule and an abacus to make sense out of some of these money management rules.

    Seems like so much stress, and certainly a hassle to remember which point to cash out, which pocket to hide a ticket in, which spin number in any given set you are on etc.

    I play to relax, have fun and yeah, i hope to win or at least not lose as much. I like to cycle money and earn comps.

    My system, while rudimentary to many ones listed here, is to flip my daily bankroll in my wallet.

    If you really really do not trust yourself with money, maybe gambling is not for you. If you are forced to only pull out $xxx.xx from an ATM every 3 hours, or hide your money in a safe or with your spouse, you might have a problem.

    If I have 3 days to gamble, and I budget $500 per day, I keep 5 $100 bills facing forward in my wallet, and the rest facing backwards. Makes it easy to see when I've hit, or am close to hitting, my limit. If I "feel" like i want to press my luck that day, I'll steal $100. But knowing tomorrow Grid is only going to have $400 to play with, and will be pissed, keeps me from doing that too often.

    On a machine, I'll play until I get the bonus, a $100+ hit (I max bet, this happens a lot) or I double the money I put in. When that happens, I cash out and move on to another. I call this plucking a machine.

    Even that is not a "rule" sometimes my gut says to sit on it longer, or the bonus came fast and I want to see what happens. And sometimes, if I really like the game, I just want to play it and see what fate has in store for me.
     
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    It certainly didn't happen a lot on my most recent trip ($100 plus wins that is). My question is how many hours on average do you get to play max betting on $500? My experience is 2 hours if the slot gods aren't smiling on you.
     
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    $500 is just easy math for my example. But yeah, 2 - 3 hours seems fair for $500 at max, on the right games. I normally have a grand a day to play with. Some days I win a little, or not lose it all. And other days, I piss it all away.

    I walked into my locals yesterday afternoon with $300 in cash, and $150 in free play.

    I gambled for 3 hours, and I lost $200 in total. All max bet (average around $5.00 per spin)

    I had 10 hits greater than $100 dollars on any given machine.

    No huge wins to push my average day over the top. I don't play any games with million dollar progressives, or even those with tens of thousands in progressives. I normally avoid licensed themed slots, with historically high holds. And I mix in plenty of older slots, that have been around for 20 years or so.

    If you are only playing Megabucks, the latest Wonka or Wizard of Oz machine, your millage shouldn't be as good.

    But, with some decent slot selection, you can do OK even in the worse casinos. My below were at Four Winds in MI, not somewhere fair like Reno NV. And yes, this is average for me. I do not mind losing a few hundred bucks, when that money gets me dinner for 2 (or 4 with my kids) a nice room, a gift, some free play and just some fun time in the casino.

    If I was routinely losing much more money, for the same comps, it wouldnt be nearly as fun for me.

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    Most good suggestions so far. Lower variance games will get you more play but less JPs. If you're just looking to stretch your dollar lower variance is better. There are some games that now offer "buy a bonus". It's an expensive "spin" but you then immediately play a bonus so it actually takes quite a bit of time to complete the "spin".

    Really most of the things I do to stretch my money are behavioral. Game within a game type things like Ron and April do where I will break some bills and play until a clear a certain threshold then cash out. Collect all TITOs until I run through the money allocated to the venture, then take it to a machine, cash it out, and start over. In Vegas specifically, I'll do casino crawls. Take a cab to Mandalay (or Wynn if you prefer), then play a little while in each casino along the way until I get back to home base. Mandalay works better because of all the trams, but you can walk too. Really all this amounts to is limiting my play by spending more time walking and checking things out rather than playing a machine, but it's enjoyable and doesn't simply feel like you're killing time standing around trying NOT to play.
     
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    We often do that type of casino crawl. Ride one way and then work our way back, playing a little at various properties as we go.

    I agree that slowing your play down is a great way to make your $ last longer. Ron likes to make a loop around the gaming floor before he sits to play. I’ll browse around the gift shop, etc. Even if you’ve been to Vegas a ton of times, there’s always something new to see or to newly appreciate.
     
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    Yep, the key is that it's boring and difficult to simply say I'm just going to hang out in the casino and not play for a while. Doing a crawl or doing a wash cycle like I mentioned before is simply slowing your play down by spending more time moving around, but it doesn't feel like you're just sitting around trying to slow your play down.
     
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    Lower variance games will get you more play, and lower jackpots. You will find you often get more jackpots with low variance, since the machine doesn't have to stock pile millions of returns for a massive jackpot to one lucky player.

    I casino hop too, but I always do so within the same club. If you break up your play between competing clubs while you crawl, this will hurt your comps.

    Comps go a long way with getting more play as well, since you can often play on the casinos money. The better a player you can make yourself look, the more comps you will get to offset your losses.

    When I go to vegas for 4 nights, I split my play between 2 clubs. Many require a 2 night stay to get your full perk. $450 in free play at Treasure Island, plus my suite for 2 night. Then $300 in Free Play at Cosmo, plus $100 in food, and my suite for the next 2.

    By the time I am done gambling at both, I'll have a few hundred more in comps to use on points as well. That is nearly $1,200 in food/free play not out of my pocket, plus the rooms. My $10K coin in per day, usually leads to $500-$900 in actual losses, unless I get lucky. 1 or 2 full days worth of expected losses, will be offset by the free slot comps I get to play. And THAT makes your money last as well.

    I often turn my free play into the 1st days bankroll. And I'm earning comps on THEIR money!
     
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    Stay away from any branded slots. And newer video ones with huge screens. Most gamblers will jump down my throat for saying this, but any game with a big progressive jackpot that's like 2 to 4 dollars a spin is going to eat your money like it's nothing and have very high house advantages. Think Lock It Link, Sex and the City, 88 Fortunes, Wheel of Fortune, Quick Hits, etc. The prettier the machine is, the bigger money sucker it is! lol. You're better off playing 2 dollars per draw on 7 spot Game King Keno with a good paytable instead of any of those. 1 in 40,000 chance of hitting 14 grand instead of 1 in 2 million chance of 9 quick hits for 8,000 lol.
    Many people will not agree with this advice, but this is my opinion.

    If you're simply chasing handpays, 5 spot keno is the best game in the casino. 1 in 1600 odds pays out over 800 times your bet if you hit all 5. If you're betting 4 or 5 dollars per go, that's 3 or 4 thousand. You want a good paytable that's like 3, 12, and 810 though. And if you want to avoid a W2, do 1.25 per draw instead to stay under 1200. My biggest wins have always been on keno, and it's a rush knowing it's not a lightning strike chance to hit a big chunk of change lol.
     
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    If you simply want to lose less money and don't care so much about a huge jackpot, I love playing less lines on older video slots. At 1 to 10 pennies or nickels per spin, a 50 or 100 dollar bill can last for a whole day, if not longer. Playing 5 lines on Super Jackpot Party is the ultimate lowroller machine lol. Fun and Lots of Bonuses, and the bonus only comes up on the first 5 lines. Playing 10 or 25 lines on Stinkin Rich is also fun too.
     
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    Good advice on Jackpot Party, since you do not need all the lines played to trigger a bonus. But the credit amounts are just multiples of your actual bet, which limits the payouts. Stinkin Rich on the other hand, if the bonus symbols are not on the 10 or 25 lines you are playing, you miss out on the actual bonus. But if you do hit them on your played lines, you activate all lines in the bonus, which makes your less lines method great for that game.

    In general, not covering all lines usually leads to a very frustrating session, when you get the bonus to line up but not on your line. Or that big line hit is on a line you are not playing.

    Same goes with progress betting. I know people that bet $1.00, then $2.00, then $3.00 all the way up to max, and back down again. Yes, your average bet is much lower than if you always bet max, which gives you more time on device. But then you root against yourself hitting anything on a lower bet, and that takes out some fun as well.
     
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    I lowroll like that if I go bust early or if my next freeplay offer is 6 hours away lol. Or if I'm dragged to a crappy indian reservation casino by friends where their basically unregulated machines probably have a 70% return to player or less. It's more entertaining to me because I can spin endlessly until something big hits. Personal preference, I don't hate on those who must always play all the lines. I may be an oddball in that I don't get emotional over line wins I didn't get, because I know each line is equal and that I am getting fairplay for my bankroll. I do tend to play all the lines I can understand though. Let's face it, most penny machines have so many random lines it's like a San Francisco Seismograph lol. I wouldn't know if Cleopatra or stinky cheese lined up on some of those random zigzag lines. To me, it's like getting 3 double diamonds just above the payline or some other near miss, you didn't get it, what can you do? It's more volatile to play less lines and you get huge exposure for very little money, although you can go through lots of spins of getting nothing. But the same can happen on max lines too.

    To be honest, if this couple is spending a couple thousand a day each, they should try Cleopatra or Cats. If you spend 4 grand a day on dollar cleopatra, you are almost guaranteed a handpay, if not a few. I put 300 dollars in the high limit Cleopatra before and won 1,000 dollars from playing one 5 dollar line, after upping my bet from $1 lol. 3 cleopatras lined up together. For them to be not getting ANY handpays in a trip, they must be playing some really crappy machines.
     
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