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What Casinos Offer Drop In Free Play

Discussion in 'Comps - General Comp Discussion' started by stackinchips, Apr 8, 2019.

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    We absolutely agree that players willing to book a room just to get free play hurts them. What will stop them from doing so once more is the fact that their offers should drop, or go away all together. The casino cannot hedge all offers based on the fact that some people will lie about a stay, go through the motions of tying up a room, just to grab their free play and run. So, the system "sees" this, and either drops their ratings (reducing their free play) or cuts them off altogether.

    That is not the rational behind not allowing full free play up front though. I explained that the free play is based on your trip averages, and is given away based on them expecting you to play your average. And even if you were to give 100% of your normal play that day, the sum of the free play is based on your trip, not your day. Just like my above. The fact that some hedge this system is not the reason the casino wants 2 nights stay at a minimum. But the drop in value, or loss of offers altogether, is the casinos only deterrent.

    If you are talking about 30% of your trip bankroll, and not 30% of your daily bankroll, then obviously that changes things. If your offers are based on 2 nights, 3 days, and you play one day with 30% of your entire trip bankroll. You are now playing 90% of your ADT that one day you pop in. Your average is pretty much the same. That shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. But your offers will drop, since your trip value just decreased. Again, like my above, those offers assume your trip loss. Losing $1K a day on a 3 day trip is a $3K win for the casino. You taking the free play, all in one single day, even though it was based on a trips worth of losses is something casinos shy away from.

    But honestly, who does gamble an entire days worth of money on a drop in? That would be like taking an entire stays worth of gambling money, and dropping it on a single pop in visit. While still holding the same money to actually invest in the club that is hosting you. I do not think many people would do this. Your original (I assume) math of taking 30% of that days bankroll and playing it at another casino that is offering up free play would seem like a likely scenario. $1K a day to piss away gambling, and extra $300 that one day to pop in and get some more free play elsewhere seems like it could happen. $1K a day to piss away, and an additional $1K to piss away on a drop in doesn't seem like a frequent occurrence.

    But if that is what you are now saying, bringing pretty much your full daily bankroll to play anywhere, then obviously it will not hurt your ratings. But, if they keep offer you offers based on the sum of a trip, that will most likely change as well.

    The only sure fire way to tell someone they are safe, if if their offers were based on 3 days of expected gambling losses, and they dropped in to collect their free play and ran triple their daily bankroll through. Again, the free play you are getting is not based on a single day. It is based on an expected trips worth of losses. And for that very reason, casinos want you to stay a certain length so they can get what they expect you to drop.

    I hope that makes sense!
     
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    For what it is worth. I can 100% state that Cosmo does ding you for these drop in visits, unless you play up to your trip average that drop in day. Not your daily average, your trip average. That is 100% fact. If you use the freeplay, they treat it as a full redemption. And if your one day, while using that comp, is not the same Theo as your past trips, you will get hit on your future offers.

    If you pop in, do not draw a comp, and play your daily average, I think you are fine. But any redemption of an offer their computers know that a redemption component took place, and thus effects your ratings and future offers.

    Please, feel free to ask anyone there if you do not believe me. And I was granted permission to share the above info by them previously when I asked about this very thing directly. The person knew who I was, and that I would share that (as I do with a lot of things I learn) and said I was good to share with the world. I'm just not about to name names, as I always promise to not do. This is not an assumption by me. I know.

    I cant speak of Hard Rock, I never talked to anyone over there. I look like a big dumb lug, I cant help that, but I have sat in on National symposiums in regards to gambling. I have been a contributor, and guest columnist, to many of the Industry's publications. I have sat in or otherwise talked to many major casino directors, slot managers, players club analytical software corporations and slot machine manufactures My gambling website has garnered hundreds of thousands of hits as I blog/write on these topics.

    I will never misinform, and I will only speak on things I am sure of. My reputation is at stake. I have always been on the players side, and I like dissecting this sort of stuff to help players rate better and get more out of their gambling experience.

    Best advice, to sum up my previous wall of text, do not double book unless you don't care about that club. Do not cash in a free play offer without playing your trip average. Unless it is a casino that rates on "locals rules" then at least try to keep up your daily average.

    Never play just for comps. But be smart on getting the most for yourself, without sacrificing your future offers.
     
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